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Old 03-05-2017, 07:43 PM
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143rd Kentucky Derby

1 Lookin at Lee (Steve Asmussen/Corey Lanerie) 20-1
2 Thunder Snow (Saeed bin Suroor/Christophe Soumillon) 20-1
3 Fast and Accurate (Mike Maker/Channing Hill) 50-1
4 Untrapped (Steve Asmussen/Ricardo Santana Jr.) 30-1
5 Always Dreaming (Todd Pletcher/John Velazquez) 5-1
6 State of Honor (Mark Casse/Jose Lezcano) 30-1
7 Girvin (Joe Sharp/Mike Smith) 15-1
8 Hence (Steve Asmussen/Florent Geroux 15-1
9 Irap (Doug O'Neill/Mario Guttierez) 20-1
10 Gunnevera (Antonio Sano/Javier Castellano) 15-1
11 Battle of Midway (Jerry Hollendorfer/Flavian Prat) 30-1
12 Sonneteer (Keith Desormeaux/Kent Desormeaux) 50-1
13 J Boys Echo (Dale Romans/Luis Saez) 20-1
14 Classic Empire (Mark Casse/Julien Leparoux) 4-1
15 McCraken (Ian Wilkes/Brian Hernandez Jr.) 5-1
16 Tapwrit (Todd Pletcher/Jose Ortiz) 20-1
17 Irish War Cry (Graham Motion/Rajiv Maragh) 6-1
18 Gormley (John Shirreffs/Victor Espinoza) 15-1
19 Practical Joke (Chad Brown/Joel Rosario) 20-1
20 Patch (Todd Pletcher/Tyler Gaffalione) 30-1
AE/21. Royal Mo (John Shirreffs/Gary Stevens) 20-1
AE/22. Master Plan (Todd Pletcher/) 50-1


142nd Preakness Stakes

1. Multiplier (Walsh/Rosario)
2. Cloud Computing (Brown/Castellano)
3. Hence (Asmussen/Geroux)
4. Always Dreaming (Pletcher/Velazquez)
5. Classic Empire (Casse/Leparoux)*
6. Gunnevara (Sano/M. Smith)
7. Term of Art (O'Neill/J. Ortiz)
8. Senior Investment (McPeek/Hill)
9. Lookin At Lee (Asmussen/Lanerie)
10. Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez/Carreno)


149th Belmont Stakes

1 Twisted Tom (J. Castellano) 20-1
2 Tapwrit (J. Ortiz) 6-1
3 Gormley (V. Espinoza) 8-1
4 J Boys Echo (R. Alvarado) 15-1
5 Hollywood Handsome (F. Geroux) 30-1
6 Looking At Lee (I. Ortiz Jr.) 5-1
7 Irish War Cry (R. Maragh) 7-2
8 Senior Investment (C. Hill) 12-1
9 Meantime (M. Smith) 15-1
10 Multiplier (J. Rosario) 15-1
11 Epicerais (C. Lemaire) SCR
12 Patch (J. Velazquez) 12-1
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:38 AM
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Thanks for accumulating this info in one place. I find it really helpful.
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Always a huge help thanks Steve
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:22 PM
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TRAIL RESULTS


3/11/17 - Tampa Bay Derby (8.5f) 50/20/10/5

1 Tale of Silence Lopez P 116 L
2 The Money Monster Rosario J 116 L
3 Basha Jaramillo E 116 L
4 No Dozing Centeno D E 116 L 5
5 Tapwrit Ortiz J L 116 L 50
6 Beasley Ortiz I Jr 116 L
7 Sonic Mule Velazquez J R 118 L
8 State of Honor Leparoux J R 116 L 20
9 Wild Shot Albarado R J 116 L 10
10 Zion Valley Villa-Gomez H 116


3/11/17 - San Felipe (8.5f) 50/20/10/5

1 Term of Art Baze T C 122 L 10
2 Vending Machine Arroyo N Jr 120 L
3 Ann Arbor Eddie Gutierrez Mario 120 L
4 Mastery Smith M E 124 L 50
5 Gormley Espinoza V 122 L 5
6 Iliad Prat F 120 L 20
7 Bluegrass Envy Radosevich J 120 L


3/18/17 - Rebel (8.5f) 50/20/10/5

1 Silver Bullion Vazquez R A 115 L
2 Uncontested Hill C 122 L
3 Sonneteer Eramia R E 115 L 20
4 Petrov Ortiz J L 115 L 5
5 Untrapped Ortiz I Jr 115 L 10
6 Malagacy Castellano J J 115 L 50
7 American Anthem Smith M E 115 L
8 Silver Dust Lanerie C J 115 L
9 Appalachian Gem Stevens G L 115 L
10 Royal Mo Espinoza V 122 L
11 Lookin At Lee Santana R Jr


3/25/17 - UAE Derby (9f) 100/40/20/10

Epicharis (Hagiwara) 40
Master Plan (Pletcher) 20
Vittori Kin (McPeek) ~ So. Hemisphere 3yo
Thunder Snow (Suroor) 100
Lancaster Bomber (O'Brien) 10
Spirit Of Valor (O'Brien)
Top Score (Suroor)
Adirato (Sugai)
He Runs Away (Colombo)
Fawree (De Kock)
Cosmo Charlie (Watson)
Fly At Dawn (Appleby)
Qatar Man (Botti)
Bee Jersey (Watson)
f-Nomorerichblondes (Harmash)
f-Midnight Chica (Selvaratnam)


3/25/17 - Spiral (8.5f) 50/20/10/5

1 Blueridge Traveler Hill C 123 L 20
2 Soglio McCarthy T 123 L
3 Fast and Accurate Gaffalione T 123 L 50
4 Convict Pike Cruz A 123 L 10
5 Colonel Samsen Lezcano J 123 Blk-Off L
6 Giant Payday Landeros C 123 L
7 Shiraz Hernandez R M 123 L
8 Kitten's Cat Saez L 123 L 5
9 Parlor Castanon J L 123 L
10 Bronson Franco M 123 L
11 King and His Court Boulanger G 123 L
12 En Hanse Albarado R J 123 L


3/26/17 - Sunland Derby (9f) 50/20/10/5

1 Shareholder Value Castellano J J 122 L
2 Hedge Fund Ortiz J L 122 L 10
3 Bronze Age Garcia M 122 L
4 Oxford Lane Eramia R E 122 L
5 Irap Gutierrez Mario 122 Blk-On L 5
6 Dilettante Stevens G L 122 L
7 Kimbear Talamo J 122 L
8 Wine N Divine Perez M A 122 L
9 Hence Juarez A J Jr 122 L 50
10 Balandeen Hill C 122 L
11 Total Tap Geroux F 122 L
12 Conquest Mo Money Carreno J 122 L 20


4/1/17 - Louisiana Derby (9f) 100/40/20/10

1 Patch Gaffalione T 122 L 40
2 Hollywood Handsome Torres F C 122 L 10
3 Local Hero Geroux F 122 L 20
4 Senior Investment Hill C 122 L
5 Monaco Maragh R 122 Blk-On L
6 Guest Suite Albarado R J 122 L
7 Sorry Erik Desormeaux K J 122 L
8 Girvin Hernandez B J Jr 122 L 100
9 Hotfoot Graham J 122 L


4/1/17 - Florida Derby (9f) 100/40/20/10

1 State of Honor Leparoux J R 122 Blk-Off L 40
2 Talk Logistics Bravo J 122 L
3 Charlie the Greek Reyes L 122 L
4 Always Dreaming Velazquez J R 122 L 100
5 Quinientos Montalvo C 122 L
6 Coleman Rocky Ortiz J L 122 L
7 Unbridled Holiday Juarez N 122 Blk-On L
8 Impressive Edge Lanerie C J 122 L 10
9 Battalion Runner Velazquez J R 122 L
10 Three Rules Saez L 122 L
11 Gunnevera Castellano J J 122 L 20


4/8/17 - Blue Grass (9f) 100/40/20/10

1 It's Your Nickel Graham J 123 L
2 McCraken Hernandez B J Jr 123 L 20
3 J Boys Echo Albarado R J 123 L 10
4 Tapwrit Ortiz J L 123 L
5 Wild Shot Lanerie C J 123 L
6 Irap Leparoux J R 123 L 100
7 Practical Joke Rosario J 123 L 40


4/8/17 - Wood Memorial (9f) 100/40/20/10

1 Glennrichment Carmouche K 123 L (12-1)
2 Mo Town Castellano J J 123 L (6-1)
3 Battalion Runner Velazquez J R 123 L (2-1) 40
4 Bonus Points Saez L 123 L (20-1)
5 True Timber Lopez P 123 L (12-1) 10
6 Stretch's Stone Franco M 123 L (15-1)
7 Cloud Computing Ortiz I Jr 123 L (5-2) 20
8 Irish War Cry Maragh R 123 L (7-2) 100


4/8/17 - Santa Anita Derby (9f) 100/40/20/10

1 Term of Art Baze T C 124 L (12-1)
2 Reach the World Smith M E 124 L (5-1) 10
3 Battle of Midway Nakatani C S 124 L (5-1) 40
4 Comma Sister Ocampo I 124 L (50-1)
5 So Conflated Gutierrez Mario 124 L (15-1)
6 American Anthem Garcia M 124 L (5-1)
7 Kimbear Talamo J 124 L (12-1)
8 Gormley Espinoza V 124 L (9-2) 100
9 Iliad Prat F 124 L (7-2)
10 Milton Freewater Pereira T J 124 L (30-1)
11 Irish Freedom Bejarano R 124 L (20-1)
12 Midnight Pleasure Theriot H J II 124 L (30-1)
13 Royal Mo Stevens G L 124 L (10-1) 20


4/15/17 - Arkansas Derby (9f) 100/40/20/10

1. Rockin Ruby (O'Neill/Guttierez) 12-1
2. Classic Empire (Casse/Leparoux) 8-5 50
3. Silver Dust (Morse/Lanerie) 20-1
4. Petrov (Moquett/Sanatana) 12-1
5. Grampa's Dream (Hartman/Canchari) 30-1
6. Lookin at Lee (Asmussen/Vasquez) 15-1 20
7. Sonneteer (Desormeaux/Desormeaux) 15-1 10
8. Rowdy the Warrior (Von Hemel/) 30-1
9. Untrapped (Asmussen/M. Smith) 6-1
10. One Dreamy Dude (Van Berg/Franco) 50-1
11. Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez) 15-1 40
12. Malagacy (Pletcher/Castellano) 2-1
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:57 PM
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3/26/17 - Sunland Derby (9f) 50/20/10/5

Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez)
Bronze Age (Baffert)
Irap (O'Neill)
Total Tap (Asmussen)
Hedge Fund (Pletcher)
Shareholder Value (Amoss)
Dilettante (Lukas)
Hence (Asmussen)
Oxford Lane (McPeek)
Kimbear (Kruljac)
Oh So Regal (Hernandez)
Ol’ Drunk Daddy (Smith)
Wine N Divine (Green)
Who would pass on this exacta? I'm all in
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:07 AM
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Who would pass on this exacta? I'm all in
The 1-2 is a pretty good hunch exacta, too.

PP Horse Jockey Wgt Trainer M/L
1 Shareholder Value (KY) Javier Castellano 122 Thomas M. Amoss 6/1
2 Hedge Fund (KY) Jose L. Ortiz 122 Todd A. Pletcher 6/1
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Tapwrit confirmed for the Blue Grass

Epicharis bypassing KY Derby, pointing to Preakness / Belmont
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:18 PM
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Fast and Accurate IN

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...t-and-accurate

Gotta love Ken Ramsey- I mean Kendall Hansen(Another Idiot). Costs 200K to run 18th
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Tapwrit confirmed for the Blue Grass

Epicharis bypassing KY Derby, pointing to Preakness / Belmont
Blue Grass looking like a nice race!!
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:36 AM
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Classic Empire to AR Derby..

Classic Empire headed to Oaklawn Park for Arkansas Derby April 15, per Casse
Dave Grening

Eclipse Award-winning 2-year-old male Classic Empire will make his next start, and final prep for the May 6 in the Kentucky Derby, in the Grade 1 Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn Park on April 15, trainer Mark Casse said Tuesday, shortly after Classic Empire turned in his second work in a week at the Winding Oaks training facility in Ocala, Fla.

Casse also had been considering the Grade 2 Blue Grass Stakes at Keeneland on April 8. He said the "biggest reason" for the Arkansas Derby "is it gives us an extra week."

"Right now the toughest horse out there is McCraken," Casse said of the unbeaten colt who is headed to the Blue Grass. "We'll wait and meet McCraken at the Derby."

Classic Empire won last year's Breeders' Cup Juvenile but has raced just once since, in the Holy Bull nearly two months ago. He came out of that race with a foot abscess, then twice in recent weeks refused to work at the Palm Meadows training center in south Florida.
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Practical Joke to run in Blue Grass
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Practical Joke will skip Saturday's Grade 1, $1 million Florida Derby and instead run in the Grade 2, $1 million Blue Grass Stakes at Keeneland on April 8, trainer Chad Brown said.

"The horse will benefit from an extra week," Brown said. Joel Rosario will ride Practical Joke in the Blue Grass.
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Battalion Runner re-routed; Wood and Ark Derby now in play
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Battalion Runner will not compete in the Grade 1 Santa Anita Derby on April 8, and his options now include the Grade 2 Wood Memorial at Aqueduct the same day, and the Grade 1 Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn on April 15, trainer Todd Pletcher said on Tuesday.

Battalion Runner will be entered on Wednesday in the Florida Derby on Saturday at Gulfstream Park, but he is not an intended runner. Pletcher will run Always Dreaming, whose ownership overlaps with Battalion Runner. The only way Battalion Runner would run would be if something unforseen happened to Always Dreaming between now and Saturday.

Pletcher is based at Palm Beach Downs in south Florida for the winter. He said the decision to bypass the Santa Anita Derby came because of an expected large field, plus a cross-country ship.

Pletcher also has One Liner under consideration for both the Wood Memorial and Arkansas Derby. Malagacy is definitely going to the Arkansas Derby, he said.

Both Battalion Runner and One Liner are scheduled to work this weekend, after which final decisions on their next starts will be made.
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El Areeb injured, off the Derby trail
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Multiple graded stakes winner El Areeb came out of a workout Wednesday at Laurel Park with an injury to his right knee and is off the Kentucky Derby trail, per trainer Cal Lynch.

The horse will undergo surgery on Monday at New Bolton Center in Pennsylvania.

“It’s the right knee, there’s a chip and maybe a slab [fracture],” Lynch said Thursday.

El Areeb won the Jerome and Withers – both Grade 3 races at Aqueduct – and finished third in the Gotham. He was being pointed to the Grade 2, $750,000 Wood Memorial at Aqueduct on April 8.

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El Areeb injured, off the Derby trail
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Multiple graded stakes winner El Areeb came out of a workout Wednesday at Laurel Park with an injury to his right knee and is off the Kentucky Derby trail, per trainer Cal Lynch.

The horse will undergo surgery on Monday at New Bolton Center in Pennsylvania.

“It’s the right knee, there’s a chip and maybe a slab [fracture],” Lynch said Thursday.

El Areeb won the Jerome and Withers – both Grade 3 races at Aqueduct – and finished third in the Gotham. He was being pointed to the Grade 2, $750,000 Wood Memorial at Aqueduct on April 8.
Bummer. Had a large futures bet on him and felt good about it.
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Lookin At Lee to the BG..........mount is up in the air.
As KL2 said,the BG looks a strong prep.
The SA Derby is going to be a crapshoot.
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Bummer. Had a large futures bet on him and felt good about it.
Really? After his last race?
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Gonna be a slow derby.
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That has to be the least talented Santa Anita Derby I can recall.
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That has to be the least talented Santa Anita Derby I can recall.
2003 and 2007 are right up there.
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2003 and 2007 are right up there.
Yea but I recall going in thinking a couple were decent, Kafwain and Domestic Dispute I think. Hindsight it was a pretty poor race.

2007 was bad
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