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Old 04-04-2017, 12:50 PM
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6th (3:53) Commonwealth S. (G3)


7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Tale of S'avall Gaffalione T 118 L
2 Fish Trappe Road Leparoux J R 118 L
3 Limousine Liberal Ortiz J L 118 L
4 Yockey's Warrior Mena M 118 L
5 Redesdale Albarado R J 118 L
6 Riding in the Wind Ccamaque M 118 L
7 Ami's Flatter Geroux F 118 L
8 A. P. Indian Bravo J 120 L
9 Awesome Slew Rosario J 118 L



7th (4:28) Shakertown S. (G2)

5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Holding Gold Rosario J 120 L
2 Rainbow Heir McCarthy T 120 L
3 Green Mask Albarado R J 120 L
4 Justin Squared Valdivia J Jr 120 L
5 Element Hernandez B J Jr 120 L
6 Mongolian Saturday Lezcano J 122
7 Hogy Geroux F 120 L
8 Partly Mocha Ortiz J L 120 L
9 Shakhimat Leparoux J R 120 L



8th (5:03) Madison S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Paid Up Subscriber Rosario J 118 L
2 Clothes Fall Off Leparoux J R 120 L
3 Kathballu Hill C 120 L
4 Constellation Flores D R 123 L
5 High Ridge Road Karamanos H A 120 L
6 Paulassilverlining Ortiz J L 118 L
7 Wheatfield Prado E S 118 L
8 Ponder Lea Geroux F 118 L
9 Mines and Magic Albarado R J 118 L



9th (5:40) Central Bank Ashland S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Someday Soon Lezcano J 121 L
2 Elate Ortiz J L 121 L
3 Pretty City Dancer Rosario J 121 Blk-Off L
4 Meanie Irenie Leparoux J R 121 L
5 Summer Luck Geroux F 121 L
6 Daddys Lil Darling Albarado R J 121 L
7 Sailor's Valentine Lanerie C J 121 L
8 Tapped Flores D R 121 L



10th (6:17) Toyota Blue Grass S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 It's Your Nickel Graham J 123 L
2 McCraken Hernandez B J Jr 123 L
3 J Boys Echo Albarado R J 123 L
4 Tapwrit Ortiz J L 123 L
5 Wild Shot Lanerie C J 123 L
6 Irap Leparoux J R 123 L
7 Practical Joke Rosario J 123 L
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:16 PM
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Why only 7 hosses ?
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:58 PM
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Why only 7 hosses ?
Probably not the case, but I'm sure the owners/trainers thought there HAD to be a better opportunity to earn Derby points than go up against this salty bunch.
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Old 04-04-2017, 02:37 PM
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Probably not the case, but I'm sure the owners/trainers thought there HAD to be a better opportunity to earn Derby points than go up against this salty bunch.
Maybe so. Lookin at Lee is the horse from the 'probables' list that wasn't entered. With just 12 points, its options are limited. The Wood looks a lot softer than the Blue Grass.
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Old 04-04-2017, 03:29 PM
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Why only 7 hosses ?
This is more of a reminder for myself, but small fields in the final prep didn't stop Thunder Gulch, Real Quiet, Monarchos, or Street Sense.
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Old 04-04-2017, 03:30 PM
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Bit of a paceless race. After the failed experiments at Tampa, I presume Wild Shot will revert to his 2yo efforts and attempt to wire the field.

Does this new dirt track play like the Keeneland of old? Remember Wild Syn?
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Old 04-04-2017, 03:40 PM
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Does this new dirt track play like the Keeneland of old? Remember Wild Syn?
I always think of Sinister Minister on that speed favoring track 22.4 / 45.4 and won by a pole
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Old 04-04-2017, 04:03 PM
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I always think of Sinister Minister on that speed favoring track 22.4 / 45.4 and won by a pole
I touted him that day at 8 or 9 to 1 and watched the race from a bar in the shopping center where I used to work. No kidding, after that, at least one guy from that bar came into the supermarket every other day and sought me out for a 'tip' on the horses. Showed a handful of old men with gin blossoms on their noses what the chubby stock boy is capable of at times.

Learned a valuable lesson that day, keep the yap shut!

Here's another redboard for ya, Alabama Shakes.
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Old 04-04-2017, 04:04 PM
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Bit of a paceless race. After the failed experiments at Tampa, I presume Wild Shot will revert to his 2yo efforts and attempt to wire the field.

Does this new dirt track play like the Keeneland of old? Remember Wild Syn?
In my opinion it plays pretty fair certainly not the speedway of old.
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Old 04-04-2017, 05:09 PM
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I used to like the old good rail. Box 1-2-3 and cash. Much tougher sledding these days.
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Old 04-04-2017, 08:43 PM
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I always think of Sinister Minister on that speed favoring track 22.4 / 45.4 and won by a pole
that was who jumped into my head
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:04 PM
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10th (6:17) Toyota Blue Grass S. (G2) ~ BRISNET PP'S LINKED

10th (6:17) Toyota Blue Grass S. (G2) ~ FORMULATOR PP'S LINKED

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 It's Your Nickel Graham J 123 L
2 McCraken Hernandez B J Jr 123 L
3 J Boys Echo Albarado R J 123 L
4 Tapwrit Ortiz J L 123 L
5 Wild Shot Lanerie C J 123 L
6 Irap Leparoux J R 123 L
7 Practical Joke Rosario J 123 L
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:08 AM
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I like 1-5-6. Chalk players should be ok in the blue grass
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Old 04-06-2017, 04:15 AM
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Do we know why Paid Up Subscriber changed barns to Chad Brown? Couldn't find anything anywhere.
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Old 04-06-2017, 07:31 AM
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Maybe so. Lookin at Lee is the horse from the 'probables' list that wasn't entered. With just 12 points, its options are limited. The Wood looks a lot softer than the Blue Grass.
Lookin At Lee is now listed as an Arkansas Derby probable.
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:39 AM
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Do we know why Paid Up Subscriber changed barns to Chad Brown? Couldn't find anything anywhere.

She was sold in the November sale. Different owners.
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:48 PM
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She was sold in the November sale. Different owners.
Thanks, missed the FTK2016 sales note in the PPs.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:08 PM
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Blue grass....now actual grass...who cares what color it is...

$1,000,000...GRADE 2
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:17 AM
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When I first looked at the race, I agreed with many of you on this board. I thought no speed at all gives WILD SHOT the best chance to go gate to wire.

Then I looked at my pace figures again and I realized this, I looked at my pace numbers and I honestly think the actual horse that ends up on the front if he wants it is J BOYS ECHO. He actually had the fastest early pace of any horse in the Delta Downs Jackpot even though he never made the lead. And his figures in the Gotham would also get him to the front again over WILD SHOT. Unless WILD SHOT returns his maiden victory or what he did in the Breeders' Futurity, he will not easily make the lead. If Lanerie hustles him out to overtake J BOYS ECHO and then he ends up on the lead, oh well, but in that case it is just going to set it up for the three closers.

I actually am going to play this race three ways and I will cash if it goes any of these directions.


3 over 1,4,6,7 (In this scenario, #3 goes gate to wire with the closers rallying up to pass WILD SHOT and IRAP who will tire from chasing the pace.)


4 over 1,3,6,7 (In this scenario, TAPWRIT gets the jump on the deep closer, catches the best pace setter, J BOYS ECHO, and the other closers rally up to finish ITM with J BOYS ECHO


1,4,6,7 (In this secnario, the pace scenario between the 3,5,6 completely falls apart and the closers take over.)
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