Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-16-2015, 07:41 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,244
Default Clark H. shapes up as superb late season test

THURS 10th (3:53) River City H. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Dac Albarado R J 112 L
2 Kalamos Lezcano A 115 L
3 Heart to Heart Leparoux J R 121 L
4 Are You Kidding Me Garcia Alan 123 L
5 Perfect Title Santana R Jr 115 L
6 Messi (GER) Velazquez J R 119 L
7 Knights Nation Borel C H 115 L
8 Gabriel's Cat Lebron V 112 L
9 Thatcher Street Hernandez B J Jr 115 L



THURS 11th (4:22) Falls City H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Tiz So Sweet Velazquez J R 115 L
2 Call Pat Rocco J S Jr 116 L
3 Salama Landeros C 113 L
4 Needmore Flattery Colon L H 116 L
5 Frivolous Court J K 122 L
6 Ahh Chocolate Hernandez B J Jr 114 L
7 No Fault of Mine Albarado R J 112 L
8 Gamblers Rose Bridgmohan S X 112 L
9 Birdatthewire Lanerie C J 118 L
10 Montana Native Hill C 114 L
11 Theogony Leparoux J R 117 L
12 Chide Mena M 116 L
13 Pretty Fancy Doyle S 114 L
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans

Last edited by Kasept : 11-24-2015 at 07:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-16-2015, 08:42 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

What do you think the probables for the Frivolous/Mr Z exacta box will be?
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-17-2015, 08:43 AM
Holybull1 Holybull1 is offline
Morris Park
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 124
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
What do you think the probables for the Frivolous/Mr Z exacta box will be?
1 MILLION dollars?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-17-2015, 08:58 AM
dylbert dylbert is offline
Gulfstream Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 1,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
What do you think the probables for the Frivolous/Mr Z exacta box will be?
One over infinity. Only hope for Mr. Z is getting new trainer and focusing on 7-8 furlong races. Saw him finish second in last year's Delta Jackpot. He just hasn't moved forward as 3YO. Another Lukas fail.
__________________
@wire2wirewin
Turf Economist since 1974
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-17-2015, 09:15 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dylbert View Post
One over infinity. Only hope for Mr. Z is getting new trainer and focusing on 7-8 furlong races. Saw him finish second in last year's Delta Jackpot. He just hasn't moved forward as 3YO. Another Lukas fail.


He made over $650K in 2015, for career earnings of over $1.15 Million. How exactly is this a failure?
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-17-2015, 09:17 AM
3kings's Avatar
3kings 3kings is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,495
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
He made over $650K in 2015, for career earnings of over $1.15 Million. How exactly is this a failure?
Would you agree his race placements weren't ideal?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-17-2015, 09:31 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3kings View Post
Would you agree his race placements weren't ideal?
The entire internet had him giving him rest after the Derby and Preakness. He won $400K in his next two starts. Who am I to cherry pick where he should or shouldn't have run?
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-17-2015, 09:40 AM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
He made over $650K in 2015, for career earnings of over $1.15 Million. How exactly is this a failure?
where is the like button

run your horses trainers
__________________
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"...Voltaire
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-17-2015, 03:59 PM
ADJMK ADJMK is offline
Randwyck
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,298
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
He made over $650K in 2015, for career earnings of over $1.15 Million. How exactly is this a failure?
Wish some of my horses had been failures like this.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-19-2015, 03:02 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,244
Default

CR Trout's Shotgun Kowboy running..
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-19-2015, 06:39 AM
dylbert dylbert is offline
Gulfstream Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 1,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
He made over $650K in 2015, for career earnings of over $1.15 Million. How exactly is this a failure?
Yes, Mr. Z has earned some nice purse money. Great for owner/trainer.

Does Mr. Z have any shot in this suggested Clark field? Highly doubtful. Better spot might have been Delta Mile this Saturday. Right track, right distance, right class, and possible successful outcome.

I will gladly post picture of myself in dunce cap if Mr. Z wins Clark Handicap.
__________________
@wire2wirewin
Turf Economist since 1974
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-19-2015, 07:10 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dylbert View Post
Yes, Mr. Z has earned some nice purse money. Great for owner/trainer.

Does Mr. Z have any shot in this suggested Clark field? Highly doubtful. Better spot might have been Delta Mile this Saturday. Right track, right distance, right class, and possible successful outcome.

I will gladly post picture of myself in dunce cap if Mr. Z wins Clark Handicap.
That has little to do with the original post of yours that I responded to. Nice deflection.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-19-2015, 07:10 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept View Post
CR Trout's Shotgun Kowboy running..
But the internet stable managers have no problem with this.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-19-2015, 07:41 AM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dylbert View Post
Yes, Mr. Z has earned some nice purse money. Great for owner/trainer.

Does Mr. Z have any shot in this suggested Clark field? Highly doubtful. Better spot might have been Delta Mile this Saturday. Right track, right distance, right class, and possible successful outcome.

I will gladly post picture of myself in dunce cap if Mr. Z wins Clark Handicap.
At 2:
2nd Breeders' Futurity S. (G1,Kee,8.5f), Saratoga Special S. (G2,Sar,6.5f), Sanford S. (G3,SAR,6f), Delta Downs Jackpot S. (G3,DED,8f)
3rd Los Alamitos Futurity (G1,LRC,8.5f)
At 3:
Won Ohio Derby (Tdn,8.5f)
2nd Indiana Derby (G2,Ind,8.5f)
3rd Arkansas Derby (G1,OP,9f), Southwest S. (G3,OP,8.5f), Smarty Jones S. (OP,8f)


yes, he belongs in the field. the criticism imo is unwarranted.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-19-2015, 07:46 AM
Dunbar's Avatar
Dunbar Dunbar is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,962
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up View Post
where is the like button

run your horses trainers
__________________
Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar
photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-22-2015, 03:42 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,244
Default 11/26-27 (CD): Falls City (G2), River City (G3); Clark (G1), Cmnwlth (G3)

FRI 9th (4:35) Dream Supreme S.

6 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $80,000

1 House of Sole Santana R Jr 120 L
2 Willow Hills Jimenez A 120 L
3 Pearl Turn Garcia M 120 L
4 Spring Included Rocco J S Jr 122 L
5 Super Saks Albarado R J 118 L
6 Shanon Nicole Hernandez B J Jr 120 L
7 Miss Melinda Bridgmohan S X 120 L
8 Milam Lanerie C J 120 L
9 White Clover Leparoux J R 118 L



FRI 10th (5:05) Commonwealth Turf S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Nucifera Velazquez J R 118 L
2 Czar Smith M E 118 L
3 Almasty Court J K 118 L
4 Quality Bird Landeros C 118 L
5 Wayward Kitten Santana R Jr 118 L
6 Bullards Alley Pedroza M 118 L
7 Bucchero Bridgmohan S X 118 L
8 One Go All Go Leparoux J R 123 L
9 Nun the Less Albarado R J 120 L
10 Magic of Believing Lanerie C J 118 L
11 Granny's Kitten Garcia M 118 L
12 Saham Rocco J S Jr 123 L
13 Obsidian Splendor Sullivan C 118 L



FRI 11th (5:35) Clark H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Keen Ice Lanerie C J 120 L
2 Looks to Spare Lebron V 113 L
3 Mr. Z Santana R Jr 114 L
4 Frivolous Court J K 115 L
5 Protonico Leparoux J R 117 L
6 Hoppertunity Garcia M 121 L
7 Shotgun Kowboy Berry M C 113 L
8 Effinex Smith M E 122 L
9 Race Day Velazquez J R 122 L
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans

Last edited by Kasept : 11-24-2015 at 07:40 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-24-2015, 10:48 AM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

dortmund is a scratch. didn't ship due to a quarter crack.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-24-2015, 02:31 PM
casp0555's Avatar
casp0555 casp0555 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Humble,Texas
Posts: 18,880
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
dortmund is a scratch. didn't ship due to a quarter crack.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...clark-handicap
__________________
"Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something" - Plato
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-24-2015, 02:40 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by casp0555 View Post
Jay Privman broke the story.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-24-2015, 06:54 PM
jnunan4759's Avatar
jnunan4759 jnunan4759 is offline
Washington Park
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chester County, PA
Posts: 897
Default

Sad to see Dortmund out, was looking forward to him. However story was informative about a trainer and his methods. Baffert says he waits a few days after a crack and then looks at patching it. It's their method. The time frame didn't allow for him to make the race and he didn't change the way they do things. Good methods get good results, but maybe not this weekend. I'm looking forward to him this year. He was a very good 3YO and could be a very good 4 YO. If you are going to get hiccups, now is the time.

We can't forget Hoppertunity, who won this last year. I think he might get a bad rap because of expectations, but he's a good horse and has the record and earnings to show for it.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.