Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-06-2016, 03:52 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,286
Default 4/9-10 (AQU): Wood, Carter (G1's), Gazelle (G2), more; Top Flight (G3)

3rd (1:22) Excelsior S. (G3)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Turco Bravo (CHI) Davis D 119 L
2 Kid Cruz Ortiz J L 117 L
3 Norumbega Franco M 115 L
4 Madefromlucky Velazquez J R 123 L
5 Good Luck Gus Ortiz I Jr 123 L



8th (4:16) Gazelle S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Clair de Lune Ortiz J L 116 L
2 Lewis Bay Ortiz I Jr 122 L
3 Mo d'Amour Velazquez J R 120 L
4 Dreams to Reality Carmouche K 114 L
5 Royal Obsession Franco M 116 L
6 Behrnik's Bank Gonzalez E 116 L
7 Flora Dora Alvarado J 120 L



9th (4:52) Bay Shore S. (G3)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Sallisaw Alvarado J 116 L
2 Awesome Speed Velazquez J R 120 L
3 Never Gone South Lynch F 118 L
4 Awesome Gent Franco M 120 L
5 Unified Ortiz J L 114 L
6 Cocked and Loaded Ortiz I Jr 123 L
7 King Kranz Carmouche K 120 L
8 Richie the Bull Cancel E 118 L



10th (5:30) Wood Memorial S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Shagaf Ortiz I Jr 123 L
2 Adventist Carmouche K 123 L
3 Trojan Nation Gryder A T 123 L
4 Tale of S'avall Velasquez C 123 L
5 Flexibility Franco M 123 L
6 Matt King Coal Ortiz J L 123 L
7 Dalmore Alvarado J 123 L
8 Outwork Velazquez J R 123 L



11th (6:08) Carter H. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Sassicaia Bisono J 116 L
2 Majestic Affair Carmouche K 116 L
3 Dads Caps Ortiz I Jr 118 L
4 Green Gratto Ortiz J L 117 L
5 Salutos Amigos Velasquez C 123 L
6 Anchor Down Velazquez J R 114 L
7 Calculator Alvarado J 117 L
8 Stallwalkin' Dude Franco M 117 L
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-08-2016, 04:40 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,286
Default

SUN 3rd (2:26) Top Flight Invitational H. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 1 Noble and a Beauty Gryder A T Violette, Jr. R A 114 L 15-1
2 2 America Ortiz I Jr Mott William I 118 L 4-1
3 3 Mei Ling Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 118 L 2-1
4 4 Saythreehailmary's Franco M Morrison John 117 L 6-1
5 5 Carrumba Ortiz J L McGaughey III C R 116 L 6-5

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (3-5), Double Wagers
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-08-2016, 08:13 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

Pretty awesome that Calculator is coming out East.

Last edited by cakes44 : 04-09-2016 at 10:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-08-2016, 08:22 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

But I like the 6 in the Carter. Seems like it should set up for him from just off the pace.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-08-2016, 08:39 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cakes44 View Post
But I like the 6 in the Carter. Seems like it should set up for him from just off the pace.
I like none of them. Not the best renewal IMO
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-09-2016, 08:02 PM
herkhorse's Avatar
herkhorse herkhorse is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Gonesville
Posts: 11,422
Default

great call in the wood
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-09-2016, 08:08 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

I think Outwork is a legit Derby horse. He was on top of a hot pace and still won in career start number 4. I expect another big step forward in the Derby.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:20 PM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHT2004 View Post
I think Outwork is a legit Derby horse. He was on top of a hot pace and still won in career start number 4. I expect another big step forward in the Derby.
Iowa or West Virginia?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:25 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215 View Post
Iowa or West Virginia?
Early pace is irrelevant?
You're better then that.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:27 PM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHT2004 View Post
Early pace is irrelevant?
You're better then that.
The pace was very strong, but that was an absolutely atrocious horse race. They crawled home and Matt King Coal was beaten just over 2 lengths contesting that pace. The likelihood of Outwork contesting what shapes up as a strong Derby pace and holding off a good group of closers in minuscule.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:35 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215 View Post
The pace was very strong, but that was an absolutely atrocious horse race. They crawled home and Matt King Coal was beaten just over 2 lengths contesting that pace. The likelihood of Outwork contesting what shapes up as a strong Derby pace and holding off a good group of closers in minuscule.
I would normally agree, but his Tampa race was fast enough... So there is something to get back to. Today was 4th career race, first going 9, first time in slop. I'm sold on him.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-09-2016, 09:39 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Plus I need a new Derby horse. I'm breaking up w/ Mor Spirit.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-10-2016, 09:46 AM
Dunbar's Avatar
Dunbar Dunbar is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,962
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by herkhorse View Post
great call in the wood
An awkward moment, for sure! It's tough for the same horse to finish 2nd and 6th.
__________________
Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar
photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-10-2016, 09:58 AM
herkhorse's Avatar
herkhorse herkhorse is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Gonesville
Posts: 11,422
Default

It's really no big deal. I just don't get why the same announcers get all the gigs.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-10-2016, 11:25 AM
rgustafson rgustafson is offline
Bowie
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 224
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215 View Post
The pace was very strong, but that was an absolutely atrocious horse race. They crawled home and Matt King Coal was beaten just over 2 lengths contesting that pace. The likelihood of Outwork contesting what shapes up as a strong Derby pace and holding off a good group of closers in minuscule.
Thank you for posting this. I was thinking of how to reply to the same post. Life and death to defeat an 80-1 shot who is still a maiden is not exactly a ringing endorsement Kentucky Derby contender.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-10-2016, 03:05 PM
Rudeboyelvis Rudeboyelvis is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,440
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHT2004 View Post
I would normally agree, but his Tampa race was fast enough... So there is something to get back to. Today was 4th career race, first going 9, first time in slop. I'm sold on him.


The Tampa Bay Derby is looking like a key prep at least for the east coast horses. Considering that both the Wood winner and the Bluegrass winner were losers in the Tampa Bay Derby, wouldn't that move Destin way up?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-10-2016, 03:39 PM
Alabama Stakes Alabama Stakes is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: suffolk downs
Posts: 5,811
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis View Post
The Tampa Bay Derby is looking like a key prep at least for the east coast horses. Considering that both the Wood winner and the Bluegrass winner were losers in the Tampa Bay Derby, wouldn't that move Destin way up?
Not necessarily . They didn't run bad cause Destin ran well
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-10-2016, 04:33 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis View Post
The Tampa Bay Derby is looking like a key prep at least for the east coast horses. Considering that both the Wood winner and the Bluegrass winner were losers in the Tampa Bay Derby, wouldn't that move Destin way up?
Destin would be in my top 5 right now. Only concern is he just loved Tampa. His 1st start this year at Gulf was bad. FG race wasn't much better.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-10-2016, 09:49 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis View Post
The Tampa Bay Derby is looking like a key prep at least for the east coast horses. Considering that both the Wood winner and the Bluegrass winner were losers in the Tampa Bay Derby, wouldn't that move Destin way up?
Nah. Outwork won a terrible Wood by attrition and Brody's Cause ran a conspicuously bad race at Tampa. Either he was short for it or hated the track or both. Destin might be nice, but neither of yesterday's results says much of anything about him.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 04-11-2016, 09:33 AM
Dunbar's Avatar
Dunbar Dunbar is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,962
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHT2004 View Post
Destin would be in my top 5 right now. Only concern is he just loved Tampa. His 1st start this year at Gulf was bad. FG race wasn't much better.
I want to love Destin because I made a big bet on All Others in Pool 2. But I hate the 8-week gap they are taking with him. And especially with a horse that's run just 5 times and never more than a mile-and-a-sixteenth. How is that horse going to be ready for the 20-horse stampede at the start of the Derby? 8 weeks without a race. That's a sizable chunk of a 3-yr-old's life.
__________________
Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar
photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.