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05-05-2007, 07:58 PM
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Sad Day for Beyer Haters
He actually picked Street Sense......and Cowtown Cat for last!
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05-05-2007, 08:00 PM
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05-05-2007, 08:04 PM
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I'm just having fun.
Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff. I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.
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05-05-2007, 08:22 PM
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Run your horse!
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Andy!!! Thanks for the link to your youbet shows - watched the last 2, shared the link with my friends - both shows were well produced with great stuff. Too bad i am a not a good listener! Definitely agree with the earlier post about beyer's figs. I think your recent emphatic point on ATRAB about running your horses came home today. I also think we might see a record crowd for the Belmont!
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05-05-2007, 08:30 PM
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05-05-2007, 08:39 PM
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I had a dream last night that Hard Spun led to the quarter pole and Street Sense ran him down to win, with a pink silked Silverton Hill horse getting up for 3rd. For a flash at the sixteenth pole I felt like phucking Nostradamus.
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05-05-2007, 10:52 PM
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Cowtown Cat somehow didn't beat out Stormello, who was my stone cold lock to finish last---and I believe finished 19th. I really can't wait to bet against Street Sense again---with Dominguez on fairly tactical, and not-that-dangerous Chelokee, the rail should finally be sealed.
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05-05-2007, 10:55 PM
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05-06-2007, 02:16 AM
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He's always knocked for his Derby picks, and this year he picked the winner and the last place finisher....
Which is why it's a sad day for his haters. This is one of the tougher races to handicap all year long---and no matter how excellent a better, they will make their mistakes in this race. Any Given Saturday ran a dreadful 8th for me.
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05-06-2007, 02:20 AM
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Thus a good day for DrugS haters? Not that there are any....or should be. By the way, it's bettor.
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05-06-2007, 06:43 AM
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I'm glad Beyer finally picked the winner, but unfortunately it was the favorite & alot of people/experts had it. War Emblem @ 20-1 w/the top prep BSF was his opportunity to become a handicapping "God"...how did he miss that one? That must p*ss him off...
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05-06-2007, 07:31 AM
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I take speed figures very seriously, in dirt races run at commonly run distances anyway, and there are a lot of times when I'm not betting the horse with the top figures.
If you look at the Derby, Curlin was the horse with the top last-out figure, and Beyer wrote a piece about him (that I was no fan of) knocking his chances...saying he'd finish in the second half of the field. Knowing how fast a horse is capable of running is very important, but, the way the figure was earned is more important than all else. And, there are going to be times when a horse is dominant on figures, and all of his dominant figures are numbers he earned with no candy trips, or smoke and mirrors....and I still will play against the horse because I project the way the race will be run figures to work against said horse. I think it's a big misconception that people who take figures seriously use them as the main basis for all handicapping opinions.
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05-06-2007, 07:54 AM
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In his column about Curlin, he stated that he'd be lucky to finish in the Top 10, I wouldn't say it was a banner day for Beyer. They do not pay out for last place in the mutuels, while it was a good guess, it gets you nothing. Street Sense was the logical pick and he should get credit for not trying to go outside of the box, but it wasn't like Beyer crushed this thing.
Thorograph loved SS and they liked Hard Spun, not so much Curlin, but at least they had the exacta.
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05-06-2007, 08:05 AM
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05-06-2007, 08:07 AM
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05-06-2007, 08:08 AM
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It's wonderful that there's a thread on this even if the last time this would have been appropriate is when Spanky and Alfalfa were all the rage.
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05-06-2007, 02:44 PM
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Was it good for the future of racing? I'm not so sure. We know how many trainers are copycats of what works one time. We saw Barbaro win with a five week layoff so this year we saw a couple of main contenders with long layoffs in Hard Spun and Circular Quay. Because of Street Sense's success, we'll see more horses going into the race off of only two preps. So I'm wondering if next season's prep races are really going to see the effects of the success of Street Sense, Hard Spun, and Curlin.
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