Why all the hate for the 3 yr olds???

wac · #1 02-23-2008, 10:31 PM

People on here know a lot more about racing then i so i'll ask why is there so much hate for the 3yr old crop this year? Outside of War Pass and Pyro it seems like most on here think every other horse sux. I think we were spoiled last year with SS, Hard Spun, Curlin etc but i "think" its a little early to say that all of these horses suck and aren't competitive. Is it b/c the beyers are low? The races they have had were crappy? B/c War Pass ran off and hid from everyone last year and made so many of them look foolish?I just think its early to say this horse sucks that horse sucks, maybe we haven't seen the best out of a lot of these horses. I just think that there are some horses that are going to improve with some races under there belt. I guess we will see.

King Glorious · #2 02-23-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wac

People on here no a lot more about racing then i so i'll ask why is there so much hate for the 3yr old crop this year? Outside of War Pass and Pyro it seems like most on here think every other horse sux. I think we were spoiled last year with SS, Hard Spun, Curlin etc but i "think" its a little early to say that all of these horses suck and aren't competitive. Is it b/c the beyers are low? The races they have had were crappy? B/c War Pass ran off and hid from everyone last year and made so many of them look foolish?I just think its early to say this horse sucks that horse sucks, maybe we haven't seen the best out of a lot of these horses. I just think that there are some horses that are going to improve with some races under there belt. I guess we will see.

I don't like them because they do suck. I wasn't spoiled by last year either. I thought they sucked last year too. Curlin was great. Hard Spun, and Street Sense were good.....but not nearly as good as people made them out to be. They seemed better because the older horses were as pathetic a group as ever seen in that division.

This year's group is looking below par. That's not to say that they can't be competitive. But you can find a $5k claimer at Yavapai that's competitive. Don't confuse exciting racing with good racing. This is also not to say that some can't emerge and turn into something really good. But at this point, it's not looking too promising.

miraja2 · #3 02-23-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't like them because they do suck. I wasn't spoiled by last year either. I thought they sucked last year too. Curlin was great. Hard Spun, and Street Sense were good.....but not nearly as good as people made them out to be. They seemed better because the older horses were as pathetic a group as ever seen in that division.

This year's group is looking below par. That's not to say that they can't be competitive. But you can find a $5k claimer at Yavapai that's competitive. Don't confuse exciting racing with good racing. This is also not to say that some can't emerge and turn into something really good. But at this point, it's not looking too promising.

KG....I agree with everything you said here.
I'm serious.

fpsoxfan · #4 02-23-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wac

People on here know a lot more about racing then i so i'll ask why is there so much hate for the 3yr old crop this year? Outside of War Pass and Pyro it seems like most on here think every other horse sux. I think we were spoiled last year with SS, Hard Spun, Curlin etc but i "think" its a little early to say that all of these horses suck and aren't competitive. Is it b/c the beyers are low? The races they have had were crappy? B/c War Pass ran off and hid from everyone last year and made so many of them look foolish?I just think its early to say this horse sucks that horse sucks, maybe we haven't seen the best out of a lot of these horses. I just think that there are some horses that are going to improve with some races under there belt. I guess we will see.

Good Question. I'm an optimist. I'm holding out hope that a real super horse comes out of the bunch. Of course, I've been hoping for that to happen for the past several years. With less than 1/3 of the Derby Prep races run, it is a bit premature to say that this crop sucks.

Bigsmc · #5 02-24-2008, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wac

People on here know a lot more about racing then i so i'll ask why is there so much hate for the 3yr old crop this year? Outside of War Pass and Pyro it seems like most on here think every other horse sux. I think we were spoiled last year with SS, Hard Spun, Curlin etc but i "think" its a little early to say that all of these horses suck and aren't competitive. Is it b/c the beyers are low? The races they have had were crappy? B/c War Pass ran off and hid from everyone last year and made so many of them look foolish?I just think its early to say this horse sucks that horse sucks, maybe we haven't seen the best out of a lot of these horses. I just think that there are some horses that are going to improve with some races under there belt. I guess we will see.

This year is no different than any other year. Dig up last year's TC threads and you'll read virtually the same stuff you've been reading this year.

Travis Stone · #6 02-24-2008, 09:36 AM

Horseplayers are a funny breed. They're never happy. If we could go back in time, I'm sure folks would find holes to poke into Affirmed/Alydar. Sometimes it seems as thought 10+ years need to be pass before people really appreciate horses.

Disclaimer: This post does not at all reference this year's crop as the next Affirmed/Alydar!

Cajungator26 · #7 02-24-2008, 12:07 PM

This crop stinks...

Hardly any of them have even run back to their best 2 year old numbers. They don't seem to be improving as 3 year olds which is what you want to see.

justindew · #8 02-24-2008, 01:01 PM

It's not just this crop of three-year-olds. It's the entire breed. There are no good horses.

(I'm being 85% serious)

#9 02-24-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wac

People on here know a lot more about racing then i so i'll ask why is there so much hate for the 3yr old crop this year?

Because its easy.

It is much harder to choose
a horse you like and then express
this and be wrong. Being wrong
on this site is dangerous.

Its much easier to say how bad a horse
looks. And in fairness, we have a whole
lot of lightly raced 3 yo's with the added
confusion that some are running on syn.
so this year is tougher.

King Glorious · #10 02-24-2008, 05:24 PM

The Fountain of Youth makes me think even less of this group now than I did when I woke up this morning.

Danzig · #11 02-24-2008, 05:42 PM

only february king...give em time...

cause it looks like they need lots of it!!!

no, seriously....it is still too early to tell.

King Glorious · #12 02-24-2008, 05:44 PM

Maybe you need more time. I don't. Slow is slow.

blackthroatedwind · #13 02-24-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Maybe you need more time. I don't. Slow is slow.

The time doesn't add up. The first two finishers are nice horses and even the third horse ran OK. They aren't world beaters at this point but it's still pretty early.

Cool Coal Man is certainly a good second fiddle to War Pass.

The Bid · #14 02-24-2008, 06:37 PM

3 year old score board

Nick Zito 2
The Rest of America 0

This after 4 innings

fpsoxfan · #15 02-24-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Fountain of Youth makes me think even less of this group now than I did when I woke up this morning.

Are you saying this because the horses you are picking are not running up to your expectations? Or are you just unhappy with the entire crop?

The last I knew, the Derby is still being run on May 3. There is a lot of time between now and then. Out of the 21 years I've been following this sport, I've heard these same complaints in probably 7 out of the last 10 years. People neeed to freaking relax and let the events unfold as they may. Maybe it will turn out to be a lously crop, maybe it won't, but either way it will still be a lot of fun on May 3rd.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #16 02-24-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Are you saying this because the horses you are picking are not running up to your expectations? Or are you just unhappy with the entire crop?

The last I knew, the Derby is still being run on May 3. There is a lot of time between now and then. Out of the 21 years I've been following this sport, I've heard these same complaints in probably 7 out of the last 10 years. People neeed to freaking relax and let the events unfold as they may. Maybe it will turn out to be a lously crop, maybe it won't, but either way it will still be a lot of fun on May 3rd.

I think everybody is comparing this year to last, last year was the best in twenty years. War Pass had little more than a public workout today, would have been nice if he ran in the FOY. Lot's of races until the first Saturday in May. Bottom line.....are we cashing tickets in these preps. Not today for myself.

pick4 · #17 02-24-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Are you saying this because the horses you are picking are not running up to your expectations? Or are you just unhappy with the entire crop?

The last I knew, the Derby is still being run on May 3. There is a lot of time between now and then. Out of the 21 years I've been following this sport, I've heard these same complaints in probably 7 out of the last 10 years. People neeed to freaking relax and let the events unfold as they may. Maybe it will turn out to be a lously crop, maybe it won't, but either way it will still be a lot of fun on May 3rd.

It's the same thing every single year for the past 8 years. They all stink until the Kentucky Derby and then you have a few that emerge from the Derby to run well in the next two legs of the TC. Most of the Derby Trail contenders who fail to make the mix are never heard from again. The survivors might run a few times in the fall and then are rushed off to the farm to cover mares.

pick4 · #18 02-24-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I think everybody is comparing this year to last, last year was the best in twenty years. War Pass had little more than a public workout today, would have been nice if he ran in the FOY. Lot's of races until the first Saturday in May. Bottom line.....are we cashing tickets in these preps. Not today for myself.

Comparing this year to last year is a huge trap. I know it happens all the time but as it's a bad way of looking at these races. When looking at the movies who are candidates for the Oscars do they compare against prior years or do they judge each movie with the candidates in the select few.

You're absolutely right about War Pass and even though he might have distance limitation questions to answer, those will be answered in the next ten weeks. In my opinion making rash judgements off of one prep race especially ten weeks from Derby Day is not wise.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #19 02-24-2008, 09:19 PM

lets face it.. war pass though not tested with 18 horses is just much better than most..now that bieng said..there is alot to be done and to be seen in this years crop ..he could be injured or just tail off abit have a bad trip ect. the reality to me is that the tc is just about a perfect recipe for an unatainable goal..pyro is a good horse and there is new ones getting tuned up for that day,,the derby,, the one real goal of every trainer.. the tc is just an afterthought..the crop as a whole cant really be judged as bad or good . a few standouts to this point..but damn its early.. giacamo.. nuff said..

wac · #20 02-24-2008, 09:44 PM

I hope some of you are right and that things will get better as we get further along. It is true that there is a long way till KD134 and derby day will still be fun Lord willing. I hope that the rest of the preps are a little more satisfying.
For those of you that backed "man" congrats and good pick.