A true stiffing

[The Bid]

Im not sure if anyone in here watched the 4th at Santa Anita today, but the stiffing Talamo put on Le Cirque should land him a suspension, fine, and anything else horseracing can lay on him. Absolutely criminal

[MaTH716]

Bid, I just watched the race a couple of times and I am not sure what you are seeing that I am not. Besides the fact that he was wide going in to the stretch, I really didn't think he did anything wrong. The horse veered in slightly after geting hit with the stick and it looked like he changed hands a few times to keep her straight. I think if he really wanted to stiff her, he would have stayed on the rail in traffic instead of making the big move that he did.

[ArlJim78]

there was nothing wrong with the ride, his rally fell a short by a nose while the other horse was very game to the wire. Talamo gave it a good effort.

Talamo sure made it close.
He could done a better job of
losing than that.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Talamo sure made it close.
He could done a better job of
losing than that.

right, Gomez did a much better job of losing on the favorite who was up the track. I guess he stiffed that one too?

[tiggerv]

Wow, are we watching the same race? Le Cirque hung. Happens all the time.

[The Bid]

Pshew, glad you guys arent chart callers

Yeah we are watching the same race the difference is I know what Im watching

You also wont get a fair view of the actual nonesense unless its on big screen. A broken up race replay isnt going to do this Desormeaux-esq butcher, stiff job, justice.

[ArlJim78]

oh well that clears up everything then. funny how a losing wager can cloud ones judgement.

people are going way way overboard around here with the jockey blame. bad rides, stiffs, etc.

[The Bid]

Its just the difference between someone that knows and a neophyte

[the_fat_man]

That's just a bad ride by a bad jock. He's wide on the turn with a move that just doesn't win on that turf course, then can't keep the horse straight in the lane while putting on a laughable display of switching the whip and adjusting the reins while being unable to finish. You can't be riding at a major track with that kind of finish.

Which is ironic given all the **** I had to read on this and other boards about how good Talamo is.

At least when Kent doesn't finish well it's typically a result of OVER adjusting the reins to the point where he basically has no more resistance and can't control the horse.

Then again, at 2:60 to 1 it might not be appropriate to bitch about rides.

[The Bid]

Fatman I can respect it being a terrible ride. I find it nearly impossible that horse didnt pass when he rolled up on even terms. He measured the horse inside and just quit riding. Whether its a stiffing, or just a horrible ride, its not hanging. Its a joke

He should be fined for not riding that mount out, and he should get days

The finish......There was no finish. He just stopped riding

[pick4]

Le Cirque won his maiden and has gone on to lose 14 straight races.
Was the first race pure luck? He's bred well but he consistantly falls short. Fast paces, slow paces, too short of gound, not enough of ground.

The horse was 5 wide into the stretch and looked like he had momentum. The rail was OUT 30 feet, Talemo was whipping the horse between the 1/16 pole and the finish line and gave him an agrreesive hand ride for the last few jumps.

I think the 5 wide trip was the difference in this race. Plus you have to remember that these are pack animals and there are some who do not like to pass another when in the heat of battle.

[The Bid]

Please stop, I cant take it.

That horse didnt hang. He rolled up to the 16th with all the momentum in the world, draws even, Talamoses takes a visable measure to his inside, then decides hes hands and heels to the wire. You do not stop riding 100 yards from the wire once you put your nose in front with all the momentum

[pick4]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Please stop, I cant take it.

That horse didnt hang. He rolled up to the 16th with all the momentum in the world, draws even, Talamoses takes a visable measure to his inside, then decides hes hands and heels to the wire. You do not stop riding 100 yards from the wire once you put your nose in front with all the momentum

You might be right. But agonizing over one photo finish in a horse race only makes matters worse. Le Cirque is 1 for 15 and will probably be 1 for 16 after his next race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

This here is a complex situation.Here are the factors involved:

1)That fkn rail is out so damn far that it's a huge momentum killer for raters.

2)Le Cirque has 1 win,and 6 times has come either 2nd or 3rd(not good.)

3)Le Cirque has a much smaller neck/head(not good for close finishes.)

4)No pressure on the winner the whole race.Horse had something left.

5)The biggest one involved here is the one people always try to overlook or ignore.That is that MR. BARRY ABRAMS has certainly increased the energy level of his horses.

Atleast Talamo rated a rater.Miss Chantal got such a high from winning this race that she then took YMUSTICHASETHECAT to the lead(a horse she just won with from deep off the pace.) I think where Talamo lost the race was being wide at the exact wrong time to be wide.If they wait until the stretch to move out then they have a much better shot.There is not enough pace in these long races....Period....People are gunna differ about whether to hand ride or not.You lose races back on the turn with that wide move at the apex of the turn.He lost this race there.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This here is a complex situation.Here are the factors involved:

1)That fkn rail is out so damn far that it's a huge momentum killer for raters.

2)Le Cirque has 1 win,and 6 times has come either 2nd or 3rd(not good.)

3)Le Cirque has a much smaller neck/head(not good for close finishes.)

4)No pressure on the winner the whole race.Horse had something left.

5)The biggest one involved here is the one people always try to overlook or ignore.That is that MR. BARRY ABRAMS has certainly increased the energy level of his horses.

Atleast Talamo rated a rater.Miss Chantal got such a high from winning this race that she then took YMUSTICHASETHECAT to the lead(a horse she just won with from deep off the pace.)

YMUSTICHASETHECAT benefitted from a meltdown pace and he was on the best part of the track two back after breaking poorly in his prior race at the 16k level. This time he broke well which he usually does. Would it have made sense for Chantal to choke the horse to keep him from doing what he normally does? Plus he was rising in class and was facing horses who were competitive at the 32 claiming level.

My pick four went up in flames because I singled Mitchell's dropper. That was poor handicapping on my part. It was a very competitive race and looking back the winner made sense.

[letswastemoney]

i didn't see the race, but people always complain about horses being whipped too much as well. maybe Talamo knew what he had and felt the horse was giving its all.

[The Bid]

I would suggest watching the race. Talamoses never knows what he has or doesnt have. The ride was a disgrace

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pick4

YMUSTICHASETHECAT benefitted from a meltdown pace and he was on the best part of the track two back after breaking poorly in his prior race at the 16k level. This time he broke well which he usually does. Would it have made sense for Chantal to choke the horse to keep him from doing what he normally does? Plus he was rising in class and was facing horses who were competitive at the 32 claiming level.

My pick four went up in flames because I singled Mitchell's dropper. That was poor handicapping on my part. It was a very competitive race and looking back the winner made sense.

The horse was raised in class because it is doing well.She obviously had a better result as a hunter than as a leader.So,lets not argue.The horse will return to win easily from off the pace....easily...So,agree to disagree until then.The horse likes to win,but she gave him no chance to do that today.He is empty mid-race,and she deserved that.She should get cute n' creative at home with fkn crayons (not at the track.)Again,for the contrarians...the horse will return,and be rated(as he should be.)So,we will compare that result with todays cute experiment.Actually it isn't an experiment.Look at the result of the same tactics used on JAN 4TH,AND NOV 28th.He doesn't like to duel.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The horse was raised in class because it is doing well.She obviously had a better result as a hunter than as a leader.So,lets not argue.The horse will return to win easily from off the pace....easily...So,agree to disagree until then.The horse likes to win,but she gave him no chance to do that today.He is empty mid-race,and she deserved that.She should get cute n' creative at home with fkn crayons (not at the track.)Again,for the contrarians...the horse will return,and be rated(as he should be.)So,we will compare that result with todays cute experiment.Actually it isn't an experiment.Look at the result of the same tactics used on JAN 4TH,AND NOV 28th.He doesn't like to duel.

Falling in love with a low level claiming horse is probably not wise, There was a reason this horse was running at 16. These are not the most reliable runners and the form cycles can swing on the dime. It's best to fugettaboudit and move on.