3/14-15 (SA): Margarita (Gr. I); Felipe (Gr. II); Irish O'Brien; Pasadena

[Kasept]

4th (2:03) San Felipe S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 He's Really Big Gryder A T 115 L
2 Pioneerof the Nile Gomez G K 122 L
3 Feisty Suances Flores D R 115 L
4 Shafted Rosario J 115 L
5 Jeranimo Blanc B 115 L
6 Kelly Leak Espinoza V 115 L
7 New Bay Talamo J 115 L



8th (4:07) Santa Margarita Invitational H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Forest Melody Smith M E 113 L
2 Life Is Sweet Gomez G K 120 L
3 Bel Air Sizzle Bejarano R 114 L
4 Modification Baze T C 113 L
5 Magical Fantasy Solis A 117 L
6 Santa Teresita Talamo J 117 L
7 Model Rosario J 116 L

[Bobby Fischer]

what kind of odds do you guys expect on Feisty Suances ?

[Kasept]

4th (2:03) Irish O'Brien S.

About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Downhill turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Onebadkitty Gryder A T 117 L
2 Gambler's Justice Talamo J 117 L
3 Waveline Bejarano R 117 L
4 Bel Air Sizzle Gomez G K 117 L
5 Christiana's Heat Baze M C 117 L
6 Burna Dette Rosario J 117 L
7 Unusual Spirit Espinoza V 117 L
8 Swiss Diva Smith M E 117 L
9 Flashover Quinonez A 117



8th (4:07) Pasadena S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 Cape Truth Talamo J 115 L
2 Gallant Son Solis A 119 L
3 New Bay Bejarano R 115 L
4 Wall Street Wonder Rosario J 115 L
5 He's Really Big Gryder A T 115 L
6 Balfour Park Valdivia J Jr 115 Blk-Off
7 Remus Nakatani C S 115 L
8 Coffee Bar Husbands P 115 L
9 Rendezvous Smith M E 117 L
10 Hype Gomez G K 115 L
11 Smokey Lonesome Espinoza V 115 L
12 Leedstheway Baze T C 115 L
AE Hula King (GER) Flores D R 115

[King Glorious]

Santa Terista to upset Life is Sweet

[King Glorious]

Please tell me that IEAH isn't skipping town with Stardom Bound because they think she can't beat Pioneer. I hoped they watched his race. He looked worse than she did last week.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Please tell me that IEAH isn't skipping town with Stardom Bound because they think she can't beat Pioneer. I hoped they watched his race. He looked worse than she did last week.

You think Baffert had this horse peaking for this start?

I thought he was much more vulnerable here than last time out, though this field wasn't much.

He would kill SB in the SA derby, as would the moose.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You think Baffert had this horse peaking for this start?

I thought he was much more vulnerable here than last time out, though this field wasn't much.

He would kill SB in the SA derby, as would the moose.

Do you think Frankel had Stardom Bound peaking for either of her starts? I don't think he can beat Stardom Bound. The Pamplemousse might be a different story though considering the likely pace scenario he'll get. But I think she beats Pioneer.

[Indian Charlie]

I think it likely Frankel had SB more cranked up for the Santa Anita Oaks than Baffert had POTN cranked for a forgotten g2, with the SA Derby a few weeks away.

[NTamm1215]

I think they're both phenomenally overrated.

NT

[Pedigree Ann]

PoN was taken out of his game in this race so didn't look as good as previously. The lack of pace meant he moved too early and ended up in a drive for a half-mile instead of the usual 3/8 or 1/4 mile. Same thing happened to Chocolate Candy up north last out. That they were able to win their races despite this handicap demonstrates their superiority over their respective fields.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

PoN was taken out of his game in this race so didn't look as good as previously. The lack of pace meant he moved too early and ended up in a drive for a half-mile instead of the usual 3/8 or 1/4 mile. Same thing happened to Chocolate Candy up north last out. That they were able to win their races despite this handicap demonstrates their superiority over their respective fields.

You made two mistakes here. The first is that Pioneerof the Nile ever looked good. The second is the ridiculous notion that a horse who pulls his way to the lead during pedestrian fractions is somehow taken out of his game or is up against it pace-wise. That is not the case. He was able to contest a very slow pace and no matter what your running style is, when you're involved in a slow pace you should have something left in the stretch.

He is an average horse, nothing more IMO. I know I'd love him in a few Derbies though, I think they are the American, Virginia, or Hollywood.

NT

[Diver67]

He DID have something left in the stretch--but the slow pace ensured that so did everyone else (except New Bay). When the whole field is allowed to gallop along at a sluggish pace, it takes the advantage away from the horse with superior stamina.

Plus he tends to wait on horses.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Diver67

He DID have something left in the stretch--but the slow pace ensured that so did everyone else (except New Bay). When the whole field is allowed to gallop along at a sluggish pace, it takes the advantage away from the horse with superior stamina.

Plus he tends to wait on horses.

Except when he's able to lope along on the front end. I just hope all of his apologists keep making excuses for this overrated slowpoke.

NT

[King Glorious]

It's funny how they do that. The half can be in 1:14 and they'll say he was taken out of his running style because he was on the lead. Position in a race is not as important as how fast you are running.

[my miss storm cat]

Pasadena...

Leedstheway!

edit - Oh yea!

Gomez was giving Rosario the business
after the little aborted attempt to move
wide and in Gomez's path on the turn home.

Su madre chupa manzanas muchas
mañanas antes usted nació. Pienso
que la cabeza de pudín ahora ha
girado para plancharle pavoneándose
borracho.