the mannings....shame shame shame

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

well the breeding is there and thats it..they both are just average...payton cant win a grade 2 and and eli cant break out of nw 1x...sad.....happy x mas..

[Gander]

Sad thing is Giants can lose again this weekend against the Redskins and make it to the playoffs as a 7-9 team. They would be the worst team ever to make the playoffs.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well the breeding is there and thats it..they both are just average...payton cant win a grade 2 and and eli cant break out of nw 1x...sad.....happy x mas..

Hard to blame Payton for the Colts' problems...he has to have a perfect game every time they play a strong team! The Colts D is simply pathetic...and they can't win without the ability to stop the run! Marino was the best ever and he couldn't win without support...Manning won't either! Colts need a better running game and at least some defense! The Giants are simply pathetic...Eli isn't Payton, pure and simple!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

true..sommer ...but how does the guy not get it done vs the texans......he cant win the big one every year....and eli is a joke..as are the giants..shocky runs his yap then he does a nice job dropping the ball....and on a side..chad jonson dropped a few game makers sunday too..

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well the breeding is there and thats it..they both are just average...payton cant win a grade 2 and and eli cant break out of nw 1x...sad.....happy x mas..

Breeding? what did Archie ever win? Pros im talking.

[randallscott35]

Time to drop Eli into a 50 claimer at the 'Grounds, or try the tuft in a money allowance....He's done.

[2MinsToPost]

Hooves as long as he does not have a supporting cast on defense things will never change - make it to January but never Febuary. Also, the teams that the Colts face are starting to figure out how this offense that Peyton runs operates. I honestly believe that when Sanders is healthy and a couple other of these cats get better, the defense will be ok, not great. Maybe ok to win a playoff game or two. It just gets old, all that money from the payroll spent on the offensive side, not nearly as much obviously on the defensive side - and the results will always be the same.

Addai is flying under the radar - this guy is good. Rhodes is as well. Our running game is just fine.

Give Eli a chance. My god, look at the team he plays for and all the issues they have. He is still fresh in the NFL, but his pouting gets old. man up.

[EpBurns]

I have said this any number of times but Archie is still the best QB from that family, Give Archie those offensive weapons that both Eli and Payton have and he would of already won a super bowl!!!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Hard to blame Payton for the Colts' problems...he has to have a perfect game every time they play a strong team! The Colts D is simply pathetic...and they can't win without the ability to stop the run! Marino was the best ever and he couldn't win without support...Manning won't either! Colts need a better running game and at least some defense! The Giants are simply pathetic...Eli isn't Payton, pure and simple!

Why do the Colts need a better running game? Their running game this year is just as good when they had E james. The problem with the Colts is Dungy. He doesnt have what it takes to take a team to the next level. Peyton runs the offense and Dungy the defense and the defense is the problem. Their defense is built to play with the lead - Bengal game is a perfect example. Get in a close game and Peyton has to win it for them. I cant remember the last time the Colts D won the game.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Gander

Sad thing is Giants can lose again this weekend against the Redskins and make it to the playoffs as a 7-9 team. They would be the worst team ever to make the playoffs.

Actually that distinction could go to St Louis if they win this week. They did beat Denver opening day but since then they've beat Arizona, Detroit, Green Bay, San Francisco, Oakland, and Washington. They will have played the easiest schedule in the NFL and will only be .500 if they beat Minnesota this week. At least the Giants have played the second toughest schedule in the league. Either way the NFC is garbage this year outside of the Bears.

[AeWingnut]

I think it was a couple of years ago the Rams were the first team to go to the playoffs with a losing record. I think the Viqueens went that year too. My Rams have been so average for so long I don't even remember anything after 2001.

I'm sure the ownership is looking at what incentives would have to be paid out before ordering the coach to lose.... Some teams just don't want to win.

Defense wins championships. Run defense is more important that pass defense. (unless you're playing the Rams )

[Crown@club]

How about those Cleveland Brown teams of the late '80's winning their division with 8-8 records.

On back to the original subject.

As a fan, I'm rooting hard for a Bears to win it all. But anything else, I'm really rooting hard for the Chargers to do it. If they do, Archie will be reading about how dumb he looks for not wanting his son to play on a perennial losing team. While this so-called losing team will have a Super Bowl victory and thank the Mannings for not coming to their town. Super Bowl victories. Chargers 1, Manning family (zero).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

I have said this any number of times but Archie is still the best QB from that family, Give Archie those offensive weapons that both Eli and Payton have and he would of already won a super bowl!!!

He is kinda old...