ukraine

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He should tell the American people the truth. That the overwhelming majority of Crimea wants to align with Russia and we have no dog in this fight.

Stop lying to America about creating serious consequences for Russia. The gullible including Danzig believe freezing non-existent bank accounts and visas have negatively affected people holding those non-existent accounts.

Hint: Putin suggested putting the same restrictions on John McCain and Dick Durbin and unlike their Russian counterparts it didn't seem to bring any serious consequences instead it brought 'laughs' from McCain and 'honor' to Durbin.

You nailed it . How is it that we are a Democracy that views elections that we don't agree with the outcome as shams? It's not like North Korea which had 100% turnout and 100% vote in favor of little Porky.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

You nailed it . How is it that we are a Democracy that views elections that we don't agree with the outcome as shams? It's not like North Korea which had 100% turnout and 100% vote in favor of little Porky.

Only difference, there is media on the ground (tons of European), twitter and facebook accounts of Crimean's etc. etc. verifying the majority want to go Russian.

But I get what you were trying to shoot at when you missed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

You nailed it . How is it that we are a Democracy that views elections that we don't agree with the outcome as shams? It's not like North Korea which had 100% turnout and 100% vote in favor of little Porky.

slate had an article yesterday, i think i linked it, explaining how the crimean 'election' was a sham. it's very similar to what happened in north korea.
at any rate, since i guess joey isn't going to answer....

what we should do is pretty much what we are doing, next to nothing. but i do find it incredibly amusing to see many of the same people complaining about us bombing libya, now complaining because we aren't bombing russia (or syria). we aren't supposed to be the worlds policeman...except when we are, according to some.
some don't want action-they just want to complain.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

slate had an article yesterday, i think i linked it, explaining how the crimean 'election' was a sham. it's very similar to what happened in north korea.
at any rate, since i guess joey isn't going to answer....

what we should do is pretty much what we are doing, next to nothing. but i do find it incredibly amusing to see many of the same people complaining about us bombing libya, now complaining because we aren't bombing russia (or syria). we aren't supposed to be the worlds policeman...except when we are, according to some.
some don't want action-they just want to complain.

It is much easier to respond when you don't think through or research a specific issue. So much easier regurgitating your party line. That goes for both Bloods and Crips.

[dellinger63]

First hand account of how it's affecting one of those 'sanctioned'

Dmitry Rogozin
Rogozin enjoys real influence as deputy prime minister for the defence and space industry, Russia's biggest exports outside of oil and gas. He brushed off the sanctions against him, "thanking" the US for "real international recognition" in a tweet on Monday. He also implied he didn't have property abroad to worry about. "Comrade Obama, what about those who have neither accounts nor property abroad? Or you didn't think about that?" Rogozin tweeted.

[jms62]

As usual he is spot on.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/6544163/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

As usual he is spot on.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/6544163/

yeah, the sign i saw that said 'how great the sin when someone else commits it' apllies to the u.s. in this case.

the false outrage is crazy. exactly what are we to do? what leg have we got to stand on to say that russia is wrong? or crimea is wrong? what business is it of ours what happens in ukraine or crimea?
we all know why russia, putin, etc are doing what they're doing. ukraine wants to be pro-west, crimea is pro-russian. the leader of ukraine was run out-not exactly democracy in action.
it's all ridiculous.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

As usual he is spot on.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/6544163/

As usual

Critics point to the Russian "occupation" of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a "triumph of democracy"?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

still no answer on how we should be handling all this. shocking.

keep watching fox 'news', joey....it won't steer you wrong.

Last nite Stewart show was a re-run of one last week..featured fox news at their best...at least they are all on the same Ailes playbook page

[Rudeboyelvis]

interesting, insightful vid from vice.com:

https://news.vice.com/video/russian-...=homepage-lede

[Danzig]

russian forces stormed a base in crimea...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

russian forces stormed a base in crimea...

The word 'storm' shows the bias being presented. More like they walked in through the doors. Video showing the 'walking in'. Not even a paper cut suffered.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-forces...105314380.html

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The word 'storm' shows the bias being presented. More like they walked in through the doors. Video showing the 'walking in'. Not even a paper cut suffered.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-forces...105314380.html

Talk about a bias. I love irony.

[dellinger63]

'Pro-Russian forces enter Ukraine navy's Black Sea HQ'

Another account of the same incident

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...russian-troops

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Talk about a bias. I love irony.

http://news.msn.com/world/russian-fo...h-to-isolation

this was the story i first saw, which is what i based my brief post on.


i just hope all this can be resolved. i do not want to see a continued ratcheting up of tensions, disagreements, etc, etc until this turns into a huge mess.

[Danzig]

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...ebbfceea67e1d0


ukraine bows to the inevitable, leaving crimea.

[bigrun]

Vladimir the Terrible

[OldDog]

Where the hell did that Reset button go . . .

http://www.unian.info/war/1457228-po...offensive.html