How Vijay Got Into Medical School

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

There's some pesky details you neglected to include that were brought up in the comment section.

An Asian applicant with a 31Q MCAT score and a 3.1 GPA has a 17.9% chance of being accepted to med school (10.6% chance with only GPA considered)
https://www.aamc.org/download/321516...stable25-3.pdf

While an African American applicant with THE SAME MCAT score and GPA has a 74.3% chance of being accepted (25% with only GPA considered)
https://www.aamc.org/download/321514...stable25-2.pdf

This information not according to either a right or left leaning source but the Association of American Medical Colleges.

So while the author made a good point regarding the lack of a control in the 'experiment' the fact remains an African American applicant and Asian applicant with identical MCAT scores and GPA's results in the African American applicant having 4X the chance of being accepted.

Dell, read the comments after the article, while contentious, they are pretty informative about the process of applying to medical school. There are a gajillion factors that go into how schools select (for example, a 3.1 from the University of Chicago, ranked #4 in undergraduate colleges in the nation, is going to weigh more than a higher GPA from some crappy state school).

But especially, a big thing with medical school applicants is that they apply to schools near to where they are, and so you have to look at population distribution nationwide- Asian Americans are concentrated in some areas, African Americans in others. While the AMA posts those stats, they don't paint a clear picture, without geographic distribution factored in. It's an incredibly complicated process, this "holistic" method of reviewing applications.

And- on top of that, if these are stats that the AMA is perfectly open about, then why does Mindy Kaling's unsuccessful brother, who couldn't even finish medical school, think that his 2 years of fraud is even noteworthy? Unless, of course, he's figured out that right-wingers are especially gullible to bs that "those people" get some kind of advantage and figures he's going to ride that right-wing grifter gravy train as far as he can, with his book proposal. Heck, Sarah Palin made a bucketload of money off it, why shouldn't he?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Did the author even read the story? It said specifically that he was turned down from SLU when he applied as Asian/Indian. Then when he used a different name and said he was black he got accepted with the exact same application.

I read the article. And several of the original links the article cited. In absolutely none of them does it say he previously applied to SLU as an Asian American and was rejected. I read the mediaite one (which tries to imply it, which is a pretty basic tactic of biased journalism and is very easy to spot with competent critical reading skills), and the NY Post one, and his original post on his website. And nowhere does it say he applied to SLU, or ANY of those schools as an Asian American.

So yes, I would say the author of the link I posted did read the article, and correctly drew the conclusion that he didn't apply to any medical schools as an Asian American.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I read the article. And several of the original links the article cited. In absolutely none of them does it say he previously applied to SLU as an Asian American and was rejected. I read the mediaite one (which tries to imply it, which is a pretty basic tactic of biased journalism and is very easy to spot with competent critical reading skills), and the NY Post one, and his original post on his website. And nowhere does it say he applied to SLU, or ANY of those schools as an Asian American.

So yes, I would say the author of the link I posted did read the article, and correctly drew the conclusion that he didn't apply to any medical schools as an Asian American.

The exact quote was "With this, “Jojo” managed to get into the selective Saint Louis University School of Medicine with the exact same application he used as an Indian man".

I took that to mean it was the exact same application that he was turned down with.

Why would you doubt that he would get into more medical schools if he said he was black? You have obviously heard of affirmative action. That is what affirmative action is. Many schools use affirmative action. Are you denying the existence of affirmative action?

As I said before, this article doesn't say anything new. It doesn't say anything that everybody doesn't already know. It is not a secret that many schools use affirmative action. All this article really does is just give a specific example of affirmative action in use. And when you see how it works in the real world, you realize the absurdity of it. How absurd is it that a school would accept a guy who looks black but if they realized he is Asian/American, then they would no longer want him? It is absurd and you know it. And how could you argue that this doesn't happen. It happens every day. People get accepted and rejected based on their race. That is what affirmative action is. It is the epitome of racism. I guess the people who support it would claim that it is ok to use racism to fight past racism. That is basically the argument. I strongly disagree with that logic, especially nowadays. The logic was questionable 40 years ago. Maybe 40 years ago you could make a slight case for it. I don't know how anyone could defend it today.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Dell, read the comments after the article, while contentious, they are pretty informative about the process of applying to medical school. There are a gajillion factors that go into how schools select (for example, a 3.1 from the University of Chicago, ranked #4 in undergraduate colleges in the nation, is going to weigh more than a higher GPA from some crappy state school).

But especially, a big thing with medical school applicants is that they apply to schools near to where they are, and so you have to look at population distribution nationwide- Asian Americans are concentrated in some areas, African Americans in others. While the AMA posts those stats, they don't paint a clear picture, without geographic distribution factored in. It's an incredibly complicated process, this "holistic" method of reviewing applications.

And- on top of that, if these are stats that the AMA is perfectly open about, then why does Mindy Kaling's unsuccessful brother, who couldn't even finish medical school, think that his 2 years of fraud is even noteworthy? Unless, of course, he's figured out that right-wingers are especially gullible to bs that "those people" get some kind of advantage and figures he's going to ride that right-wing grifter gravy train as far as he can, with his book proposal. Heck, Sarah Palin made a bucketload of money off it, why shouldn't he?

I want to give you a hypothetical: Lets say a black man believed he was being discriminated against in some type of application process. So in order to prove it, he changes his application and says he is white. What would you say? Would you be pissed off about it and accuse him of fraud? Of course not. You would probably say the guy is a hero. Yet in the case of the Asian/American guy lying about his race, you portray him as a bad guy and accuse him of fraud. If that's not hypocrisy I don't know what is.

[dellinger63]

Too bad Vijay didn't aspire to head up a local NAACP chapter. Might not have even had to blackface.

The hypocrisy on display is undeniable.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Too bad Vijay didn't aspire to head up a local NAACP chapter.

Word is that the movie version will star Caitlyn Jennah.