Gov Haley demands rebel flag removal

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Yes you do!!

Too bad that fabric wasnt put to such a use 154 years ago. Might have saved some lives, eh?

[Danzig]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/26...html?referrer=

An excellent article.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/26...html?referrer=

An excellent article.

The harder call concerns Robert E. Lee. Should schools and other facilities be named after the great Confederate general, or should his name be removed and replaced?

I vote for Lee's name to stay..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

I vote for Lee's name to stay..

I don't.
I have one good thing to say about Lee. He surrendered rather than turn to a guerilla campaign. His actions toward the u.s. deserve no praise, his taking free black men and women back with his army when fleeing Meade after Gettysburg was dishonorable. Lee was no state soldier, and lost many troops to desertion whenever he ventured out of Virginia. Had he only wanted to protect his home state, he'd not have gone on the offensive into Maryland and Pennsylvania.
Some people did a bang up job turning a loser into a hero, and a general who did what others failed to do into a drunk. Amazing how far grants reputation has fallen after all the time he was loved and admired. Reconstruction helped the white south, but it also reconstructed history.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/south-car...nfederate-flag

[bigrun]

Bet this 100 people would disagree with you

"They're trying to take our history away," said Justin L., who declined to give his full last name but said he is with the Texas Coal Rollers Society, a diesel truck club. "We're trying to make a movement, trying to encourage people to keep flying what they do because it's the history of this country."

He said flying the flag is not racist.

"It's not hate, man, it's just heritage," he said. "It's what our country was founded on so we want to keep it going ... don't give in to them."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/hou...#photo-8259665

[bigrun]

Speaking of heritage, flags, symbols and names got this today



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I think all sports fans will get a kick out of this letter written to the Chicago Tribune....
No matter which side you are on in the matter of renaming the Washington Redskins, this is funny. This guy is hilarious…

Here is an e-mail sent to Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune after an article he published concerning a name change for the Washington Redskins.

Dear Mr. Page: I agree with our Native American population. I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional football team after Native Americans would exalt them as fine warriors, but nay, nay. We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

Let's ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant Blacks from the 60's alive. Gone. It's offensive to us white folk.

The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war that cost this country so many young men's lives.

I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged. We are talking about the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity, a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children.

The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong message to our children.

The Milwaukee Brewers. Well that goes without saying. Wrong message to our children.

So, there you go. We need to support any legislation that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the government will likely become involved with this issue, as they should. Just the kind of thing the do-nothing Congress loves..

As a die hard Oregon State fan, my wife and I, with all of this in mind, suggest it might also make some sense to change the name of the Oregon State women's athletic teams to something other than "the Beavers (especially when they play Southern California . Do we really want the Trojans sticking it to the Beavers???)
I always love your articles and I generally agree with them. As for the Redskins name I would suggest they change the name to the “Foreskins” to better represent their community, paying tribute to the dick heads in Congress.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Bet this 100 people would disagree with you







http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/hou...#photo-8259665

i don't care!

they can fly what they want, and think it means something other than what it meant.
my beef with it has only ever been with states flying it. if individuals want to make up history, it just fits in with them making up science. i doubt those flying it 'believe' in evolution...but it would be nice if they realized that when they say 'it's our heritage' what heritage they claim.


as for the redskins....(and the other mascots of animals, vikings (which isn't even correct, viking is a verb-they 'went viking') i never thought it was that big of a deal.
and then a few months back, when the daily show finally aired the skit with the native americans, that's when i changed my mind. when the one guy said something like ' the two most used mascots are animals and indians', well.....
besides, dan snyder says he'll sell the team if they make him change it, so for the millionth time, make him change it!!!

[OldDog]

These state flags are offensive and must be removed.

Minnesota


and Massachusetts


Elizabeth Warren and Andrea Smith were unavailable for comment.

[GenuineRisk]

We should keep Lee’s name on institutions that reflect postwar service, like Washington and Lee University, where he was president. But we should remove Lee’s name from most schools, roads and other institutions, where the name could be seen as acceptance of what he did and stood for during the war.

I'm cool with that.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

These state flags are offensive and must be removed.


Elizabeth Warren and Andrea Smith were unavailable for comment.

Actually, their problematic imagery is not a new topic:

http://www.tmealf.com/ICV-23.pdf

What's hilarious about the right wing losing their marbles over the prospect of the Confederate battle flag being removed from government property is that they're taking all of these other things (streets named after Confederate luminaries, other flags using Native American symbology) and saying, "Oh, so these will be next!" as a kind of "Isn't this crazy," but the reaction ends up being people who wouldn't think twice about the Minnesota flag otherwise saying, "Oh, yeah, now that you mention it, the flag IS pretty racist..."

Kind of like how all the protesters over The Last Temptation of Christ did nothing more than make a really really boring film more profitable than it should have been, because all they did was draw attention to it.

The article I linked to is interesting, particularly the section on the New Mexico flag. Whites who lose their minds over "Piss Christ" have no problem slapping a sacred Native American symbol on toilets.