thanks in advance

[ontheoutside]

a very good handicapper told me this week to look for a trainer when saratoga starts
the name of trainer is j servis

i was thinking isnt there a a john and jason?

he says he has a very good but small string

anyone have a idea of which one he mite be talking about?
thanks

[RHT2004]

Probably John.

[jnunan4759]

John and Jason are both trainers to always be aware of. Jason is based in NY and has been regular at NYRA for years. John is based at Parx. Both are very adept and place their horses well.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by jnunan4759

John and Jason are both trainers to always be aware of. Jason is based in NY and has been regular at NYRA for years. John is based at Parx. Both are very adept and place their horses well.

A guy who trained a horse to a Kentucky Derby and Preakness win and lost a heart breaker when clearly best in the Belmont is very adept?

Nothing gets past you.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pointman

A guy who trained a horse to a Kentucky Derby and Preakness win and lost a heart breaker when clearly best in the Belmont is very adept?

Nothing gets past you.

I don't know that you're being fair. The game is littered with bad trainers that have trained great horses. I would say a trainer's competence isn't measured well by the best horse he or she ever trained. In fact, it might be better measured by some of the worst horses they trained....certainly the lesser ones.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't know that you're being fair. The game is littered with bad trainers that have trained great horses. I would say a trainer's competence isn't measured well by the best horse he or she ever trained. In fact, it might be better measured by some of the worst horses they trained....certainly the lesser ones.

Your point is fair and true, that alone is not a measure of ability.

I do think that John Servis is a very talented trainer that is more than very adept and places his horses well which he proved when he was given the chance to train a very talented horse. I think like a number of trainers he has the talent to train better stock than he has been given.

No knock on Jason either who is a very good trainer. Either are capable of having live horses for Saratoga.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pointman

Your point is fair and true, that alone is not a measure of ability.

I do think that John Servis is a very talented trainer that is more than very adept and places his horses well which he proved when he was given the chance to train a very talented horse. I think like a number of trainers he has the talent to train better stock than he has been given.

No knock on Jason either who is a very good trainer. Either are capable of having live horses for Saratoga.

I'm guessing John is a very solid trainer. I know Jason wins, with everything, and mostly weaker stock. I'm fairly confident John does not have the same impressive numbers off trainer changes that Jason has. This is by no means a criticism of John, but Jason has some of the best statistics in the game, and that's with a pretty substantial sample size.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm guessing John is a very solid trainer. I know Jason wins, with everything, and mostly weaker stock. I'm fairly confident John does not have the same impressive numbers off trainer changes that Jason has. This is by no means a criticism of John, but Jason has some of the best statistics in the game, and that's with a pretty substantial sample size.

I always give Jason's horses an extra long look, esp in turf sprints.

[jnunan4759]

I had PA Bred horses at Parx years ago and had Bob Camac train for me. He used to tell me John Servis was a good trainer. When Bob got killed I went to see John about taking mine and he was full because he took some of Bob's clients. I've known John for years. Good trainer. Jason is great also. I've won much more money on him.

Good guys also.

Good horses make good trainers. Bob told me that and many others have said it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ontheoutside

a very good handicapper told me this week to look for a trainer when saratoga starts
the name of trainer is j servis

i was thinking isnt there a a john and jason?

he says he has a very good but small string

anyone have a idea of which one he mite be talking about?
thanks

I'm sure he means Jason. He always wins some races at Saratoga. John doesn't run too many horses in New York.

[Kasept]

Jason Servis at SAR

2015: 26/3-6-4
2014: 23/3-1-3
2013: 32/6-5-1

[jnunan4759]

I think those are pretty solid stats. I know I give an extra look to Jason's horses when he ships to MON or PARX, usually well meant and spotted. John is similar when he ships to NY, usually well spotted and meant.

With bigger operations and shipping now we often forget it was a big deal for a trainer to ship a horse for a race years ago. Usually they were well meant because it was an extra-ordinary effort. They mostly looked in their home condition book.

[Pants II]

His 2013 stats are great.

For the year he was top 5 by win percentage. 25% clip.

These three trainers are similar in results for the year. The only difference really is the amount of runners.

In order...
Hollendorfer
Amoss
Servis

You could trade stable sizes every year and there probably wouldn't be much variance in results.