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Old 07-21-2016, 10:42 AM
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Well we agree on a couple things, Cruz is an a-hole, there is a reason as a sitting senator he could garner no support from other senators. Trump has a fine family, very impressive. His pick for VP was inspired, hard guy to personally dislike. Having said all that, Trump has yet to detail his vision and tonight's speech is one I won't miss. Bottom line, I'm not in love with Democratic policies but they beat the hell out of conservative Republican ones.
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:52 AM
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I'm looking forward to Ivanka's speech this evening as well - All of his kids are exceedingly intelligent, well spoken and confident. Not an accident.

Letting Ted Cruz show his ass when he knew no endorsement was coming was another stroke of genius. Dude just basically committed career self-immolation by displaying what a petulant, self-absorbed, self-serving blowhard he really is.

But for a moment back to reinstating Glass-Stegall - That is the type of stuff that makes the bought and paid for Inside Washington crowd sh1t themselves over.

Doing the right thing without being influenced by the Banking Cartels.

Actually something you'd expect Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to demand from Hillary Clinton whist she laughs in their faces.

The party is not ever going to be unified. There is a tiny fringe element that will never be satisfied. The majority of sensible Republicans recognize the fact that this party needs radical change to stay relevant. And that is fine. Independents and working class Dems are crossing over in droves.

It's called growth, and while the Dems mire themselves in backwards-thinking socialism, there is a movement afoot.
Agree with everything you say here especially regarding Cruz.. Having said that I want to be devils advocate here. If you were in Cruz's position having signed a pledge but Donald severely insulted your wife and father. Knowing that knocking him out is not an option what would you do. Me personally would decline to speak. I wouldn't endorse him but would not show up the party like that. Sort of like Kasich did.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:44 PM
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Agree with everything you say here especially regarding Cruz.. Having said that I want to be devils advocate here. If you were in Cruz's position having signed a pledge but Donald severely insulted your wife and father. Knowing that knocking him out is not an option what would you do. Me personally would decline to speak. I wouldn't endorse him but would not show up the party like that. Sort of like Kasich did.
I can see some of this - but to be fair, I think that the media has a way of hyper-inflating virtually everything he says or does.

Case in point - I don't necessarily buy the notion that Trump severely insulted his wife. It was a political counterpunch that the media, led in part by Megyn Kelly, refused to allow to die what should have been a relative quick death.

If you recall the entire tawdry exchange was initiated by Ted Cruz when Cruz or, according to his Super PAC (without his knowledge of course, *wink, wink*) decided to place billboards all over Salt Lake City in advance of the Utah primary of an old modeling photo of Melania in a provocative pose:



Trump's response was to retweet a tweet from a supporter which made the case that "Heidi ain't exactly Melania".

That was it. Was it presidential? No. Borderline misogynistic? Perhaps. But really, at the end of the day, wasn't it really much ado about nothing, if we're being honest? He (or a staffer) retweeted a stupid tweet. That's it.

It was the likes of the #NeverTrump pitbulls, - SE Cupp, Amanda Carpenter, Megyn Kelly, Mika Brzezinski, et al. that refused to let this die a natural, quick death and beat the drum ad nauseum.

When it is all boiled down, it may have been construed as any number of things, but an *Attack on Heidi* is not one of them, in my mind's eye.

As for his father - the fact that he was a communist soldier with direct ties to Fidel Castro, for whatever reason, was and still is completely glossed over by the MSM (I can only imagine why ).

Whether that was him in that grainy old photo or not, will never be known. Cruz (regardless if true) will deny it to his grave, as will his father. Rafael Cruz has every right to sue the Enquirer for defamation of character and had purportedly expressed an interest in doing so , yet....crickets... Draw your own conclusion.

In all reality, Trump causally "putting it out there" was pure politics, and something Cruz would have done in a heartbeat should the shoe had been on the other foot.


So, I realize it's a long way to go to say I disagree with the notion that any of the 16 that signed a pledge to support Trump (Especially Kasich) should get a pass. If you cannot be trusted at your word, then why should anyone believe anything you might say in the future?

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Old 07-21-2016, 02:52 PM
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Agree with everything you say here especially regarding Cruz.. Having said that I want to be devils advocate here. If you were in Cruz's position having signed a pledge but Donald severely insulted your wife and father. Knowing that knocking him out is not an option what would you do. Me personally would decline to speak. I wouldn't endorse him but would not show up the party like that. Sort of like Kasich did.
Cruz may well have caused his career to implode. I have no complaints if that is the case. But, yeah, he should not have spoken. But it is cruz, and he cannot stand to not be seen. Big miscalculation.
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Cruz may well have caused his career to implode. I have no complaints if that is the case. But, yeah, he should not have spoken. But it is cruz, and he cannot stand to not be seen. Big miscalculation.
Hope so! He and his old man need to be fitted for straight jackets!
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Old 07-21-2016, 03:05 PM
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Hope so! He and his old man need to be fitted for straight jackets!
not many politicians get 100% support. but I think he has managed to cause almost unanimous dislike among his senate colleagues.
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Old 07-21-2016, 03:30 PM
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not many politicians get 100% support. but I think he has managed to cause almost unanimous dislike among his senate colleagues.
He's also just a bad guy. But I think his old man makes Louie Ghomert look sane!
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Old 07-21-2016, 05:08 PM
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Cruz was blocked from Sheldon Adelson's Donor Suite after speech.

Billionaires Sheldon and Miriam Adelson refused to let the senator from Texas enter their donor suite after his controversial address, according to a person familiar with the circumstances. CNN first reported the episode.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattves...trump-n2195523

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. The dumbass chopped off his own head.
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:24 PM
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Well we agree on a couple things, Cruz is an a-hole, there is a reason as a sitting senator he could garner no support from other senators. Trump has a fine family, very impressive. His pick for VP was inspired, hard guy to personally dislike. Having said all that, Trump has yet to detail his vision and tonight's speech is one I won't miss. Bottom line, I'm not in love with Democratic policies but they beat the hell out of conservative Republican ones.
Somer - I know better than to preach to you but His position papers and platform are available for anyone who is interested at his website. He is more transparent that HRC, who has said/committed to nothing but the same old tired, failed platitudes that have been regurgitated ad nauseum for the past 8 years.

There is little to gain in providing specifics as it locks you into a position that requires fluidity and gives your opponent a foothold to attack. That is precisely why HRC hasn't done, and will never do the same.

Ask yourself...don't answer me...just ask yourself.... to name 3 actual accomplishments of HRC in the past 30 years of *service to our nation*. If you can come up with one - just one - that she initiated and saw through - start to finish - I'd be astonished to hear about it.
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