8/8 (SAR): Travers, Test, Ballerina (G1's), Troy, Waya (G3's)

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Rollo do you give any credence to the theory that Honor AP just wasn’t fully cranked for the Shared Belief? And Shirreffs knows how to get a horse ready for the ultimate goal and will have him 100% (or as close as he can be) come Derby Day?

Who knows? Before the race, Shirreffs claimed that the horse was training up to the Shared Belief the same or better than for the SA Derby.

After the race he apparently drank the Mike Smith Kool-Aid and made some nebulous comments that horses know the difference between an exercise rider and a jockey in the morning. Not sure I buy into that, but certainly jockeys tend to work horses faster than the regular exercise riders (usually to the detriment of the horse) probably because they are interested in knowing how "good" a horse is as opposed to trying to help achieve a trainer's conditioning goals.

As far as Shirreffs knowing how to get a horse ready for the big event, not sure I buy that either. He won the Derby with Giacomo on his own admission because Smith told him to press on with the colt despite a losing streak. What else has he won where his horse clearly progressed perfectly to a big race? This year Midcourt was over the top come Big Cap day, Hard Not To Love has tailed off completely since stepping up in trip, and his other 2 SA Derby winners (Tiago, Gormley) were also-rans in the classics.

At any rate, even if he was trying to "give a race" to Honor A.P.--which would have been the wise move considering he was already in the KY Derby on points and the 4-horse field and pace scenario went against the colt's running style--Smith completely ruined it by trying to turn the race on its ear after the opening furlong.

I'd be more worried about Honor A.P. taking a step backwards than believing he will improve off the effort. The horse basically showed that without his well-timed, patented turn move, he is nothing more than a common grinder. The conditions of the Derby (large field, strong pace, extra furlong) will help him, but I don't think his connections do him any favors.

[Dahoss]

I can’t argue with much of that, but I think he’s a very good trainer. They made a mistake thinking Hard Not to Love wants a route and Midcourt bounced back pretty well a few weeks ago.

Honor AP just seemed short to me and obviously the ride did him no favors. Betting wise, the effort in the Shared Belief should provide a much better price come Derby Day than if he romped. Although if the Tiz the Law that ran Saturday shows up with the same effort Derby Day they are all running for 2nd.

[Dahoss]

Off topic but highly entertaining watching one of Venetian Harbor’s owner have a two day meltdown on Twitter accusing Rosario, Ron Anderson and Baffert of colluding to not go after Gamine early.

I thought it was a s.hit ride but I’ve also seen Rosario do stuff like that a lot.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Off topic but highly entertaining watching one of Venetian Harbor’s owner have a two day meltdown on Twitter accusing Rosario, Ron Anderson and Baffert of colluding to not go after Gamine early.

I thought it was a s.hit ride but I’ve also seen Rosario do stuff like that a lot.

Maybe he should be kicking himself for pressing on in another two turn race after getting drilled in the Fantasy. Why wasn't she in the Acorn?

Both those filly's look like run-offs that refuse to settle. If Rosario let go of his hammerlock all that would have been accomplished was probably an early end to Venetian Harbor's season and possibly Baffert having a rethink for Gamine by targeting the BC FM Sprint rather than the KY Oaks/BC Distaff.

At least now they can try another Venetian Harbor reboot by tossing her into a turf race...preferably a Grade 3 and not the Garden City or Queen Elizabeth.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Maybe he should be kicking himself for pressing on in another two turn race after getting drilled in the Fantasy. Why wasn't she in the Acorn?

Both those filly's look like run-offs that refuse to settle. If Rosario let go of his hammerlock all that would have been accomplished was probably an early end to Venetian Harbor's season and possibly Baffert having a rethink for Gamine by targeting the BC FM Sprint rather than the KY Oaks/BC Distaff.

At least now they can try another Venetian Harbor reboot by tossing her into a turf race...preferably a Grade 3 and not the Garden City or Queen Elizabeth.

The Garden City became the Belmont Oaks in 2014.

You were on quite a roll until this tragic error.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Garden City became the Belmont Oaks in 2014.

You were on quite a roll until this tragic error.

I knew it was wrong, too, but was too lazy to look it up. Should have covered my tracks with a "or whatever it's called now" cop out.

But I refuse to let Martin Panza dictate my Google searches.

Anyways, I'm only posting to coax Freddy out of his current once-every-2-months posting diet.

Somehow he's become King of the One Liners...

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Anyways, I'm only posting to coax Freddy out of his current once-every-2-months posting diet.

Please...have a heart.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Maybe he should be kicking himself for pressing on in another two turn race after getting drilled in the Fantasy. Why wasn't she in the Acorn?

Both those filly's look like run-offs that refuse to settle. If Rosario let go of his hammerlock all that would have been accomplished was probably an early end to Venetian Harbor's season and possibly Baffert having a rethink for Gamine by targeting the BC FM Sprint rather than the KY Oaks/BC Distaff.

At least now they can try another Venetian Harbor reboot by tossing her into a turf race...preferably a Grade 3 and not the Garden City or Queen Elizabeth.

The best was him complaining about Baffert and his medication overages, while his trainer was just suspended in May for....you guessed it....a medication overage.

Several people brought it up and he ignored it everytime choosing to only respond to people who support his whining. Based on this, I anticipate a long career in the game.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The best was him complaining about Baffert and his medication overages, while his trainer was just suspended in May for....you guessed it....a medication overage.

Several people brought it up and he ignored it everytime choosing to only respond to people who support his whining. Based on this, I anticipate a long career in the game.

He sort of walked things back a bit anyway with this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Domsavides/statu...179704320?s=20

Basically saying he's got no proof of anything and was full of crap. I can understand maybe he was annoyed but his allegations were baseless.

[Dahoss]

Yeah I mean I was annoyed at the ride too but didn’t see it as collusion. I bet a closer so was hoping for a faster pace.

I guess his issue was the plan was to send hard and Rosario did the opposite, so I get the frustration. But taking to twitter so a bunch of morons can agree with you isn’t the best course of action for an owner. It was amusing though.