Don Imus and Rutgers Women

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

The stone met a laser and lost. I am on the mend and feel OK...not 100%, but much better than before and getting better every day.

Oh goodie... you'll be useful soon enough!

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Agreed. But you are assuming I was referring to Don Imus...which is not necessarily the case.



The stone met a laser and lost. I am on the mend and feel OK...not 100%, but much better than before and getting better every day.

I'm glad that you feel better. You were in a heap of pain, I'm sure.

I don't worry too much about the Imus' of the world, or others that they anger. Concern me, yes; worry me, no. Actually its all I can handle to keep on top of my own business, and my own thoughts.

Again, glad you are feeling better.

[Downthestretch55]

Update...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/bu...d-imus.html?hp

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Interesting...how this thread proved something.
When it started, someone said to not take offense.
Then later, when the same someone thought I was taking a shot at him, he took offense (nevermind the unconnected name-calling). Then to defense mode. Yada yada yada.
It only proved my point. Go back and reread this thread from the first page and you might see for yourself.
Now, back to Imus...he'll be on Sharpton's radio show. He also wants to meet the Rutgers Women's BB team to apologize "face to face".
My best guess is that if he had the opportunity to take back his words, he would. Unfortunately for him, it might be too late.
Racism and sexism are not going to go unnoticed, and certainly not unchallenged.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/sleza...arol08.article

I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by byalip

One more thing...

Did you know that one of the women Imus insulted has a straight 4.0 average and another has a triple major? To reduce these scholar-athletes to a racist stereotype simply for entertainment is reprehensible.

I'd like to hear Imus say what he said to these girls' fathers and see what reaction he gets. Do you honestly think they'd find it funny?

Please. Do you think that future employers will use Imus comments to some how discriminate against these women? How is it tangibly harmful to these people? Get over it. Stop being so serious. Have the Washington Redskins really harmed Native Americans? Was any one person singled out and ridiculed? It was a joke, a bad one but that's life.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Was any one person singled out and ridiculed? It was a joke, a bad one but that's life.

Cannon, I'm not sure whether you read the NYPost article, the NYTimes update with the interview this afternoon between Rev.Al Sharpton and Don Imus, but this is a very REAL concern for a many, many people including MSNBC and NBC, and CBS Radio the owners of Imus's WFAN.

In other words, I believe this is more of a problem than simplifying it as "a bad joke and that's life."

This isn't about political correctness, nor.....who does it harm?

Obviously, its harming a great number of people, not the least of which should be, and is Don Imus.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Isn't this racist as well? Just because he is hispanic, we're gonna ask, even if joking, whether he is an illegal immigrant?

Shut up, you phucking racist.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

Go back and read what I said. I stand by my words.
I never mentioned your name nor called you one.
Freedom of speech does not include "hate speech", see FCC regs.
I agree that people that "stupid things" should have their say, and also be called out for their stupidity.
Apologies??? Later. "Resignation"? OK
Excuses...see my previous quote.
Justification? Nope!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Grits

Cannon, I'm not sure whether you read the NYPost article, the NYTimes update with the interview this afternoon between Rev.Al Sharpton and Don Imus, but this is a very REAL concern for a many, many people including MSNBC and NBC, and CBS Radio the owners of Imus's WFAN.

In other words, I believe this is more of a problem than simplifying it as "a bad joke and that's life."

This isn't about political correctness, nor.....who does it harm?

Obviously, its harming a great number of people, not the least of which should be, and is Don Imus.

Anna Nicole was a big story too. Dont confuse a "big" story with an important story. Imus is a guy who has taken shots and pissed off literally thousands of people. He is a big name. His name gives this story legs, period. That does not make it right. If jj graci had said the same thing on ATRAB would there be the same outrage? Of course not. And if this is not about political correctness then what is it about?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

As an aside, if I was training horses (which I'm not at the track),and if my 2007 stats were 32 starts, 4-4-4, 12% wins and 37% ITM, I'd be paying a lot more attention to the training of the horses rather than making excuses for the racist remarks of others]

This is where your remarks got cheap and took a real nosedive.

This was totally . . . completely without merit, and lent quite little to the discussion. I don't care whether you stated the trainers name or not.

This was cheap. This was your mistake DTS.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Anna Nicole was a big story too. Dont confuse a "big" story with an important story. Imus is a guy who has taken shots and pissed off literally thousands of people. He is a big name. His name gives this story legs, period. That does not make it right. If jj graci had said the same thing on ATRAB would there be the same outrage? Of course not. And if this is not about political correctness then what is it about?

I'm not going to get deeper into this fight. We don't agree Chuck, this is an important story, and to me it is one about racist remarks and this is something we've long had problems with in our country. Mr.Imus did not help that problem.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Go back and read what I said. I stand by my words.
I never mentioned your name nor called you one.
Freedom of speech does not include "hate speech", see FCC regs.
I agree that people that "stupid things" should have their say, and also be called out for their stupidity.
Apologies??? Later. "Resignation"? OK
Excuses...see my previous quote.
Justification? Nope!

I would hardly classify what he said as "hate speech". And if you stand by your words then why did you attempt to apologize? I have no problem with you but I think that people who turn bs like this into "racism" and "hate speech" are being petty and vindictive.
I'll say again, why can people call the president of the US names and say he is stupid and a criminal and it is ok but a shock jock says that a womans basketball team is nappy and thugish during a comedy bit and it is a criminal offense? Bill Maher and Bill O'Reilly both regularly say worse than this and no one pays attention.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Grits

This is where your remarks got cheap and took a real nosedive.

This was totally . . . completely without merit, and lent quite little to the discussion. I don't care whether you stated the trainers name or not.

This was cheap. This was your mistake DTS.

Agreed... pretty classless of him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Grits

I'm not going to get deeper into this fight. We don't agree Chuck, this is an important story, and to me it is one about racist remarks and this is something we've long had problems with in our country. Mr.Imus did not help that problem.

Actually the side that make this into a big deal is making the situation worse. People who are racist are going to be racist no matter what anyone in the media says. But when people like Sharpton get people riled up over this bs then you see trouble brewing.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Not to mention, the "I didn't mention your name" defense is pretty cowardly. But, at this point, what should we really expect from the honorable (sic) Mr. DTS?

No knocks on anyone here, but if you have to resort to stating trainer stats in order to get your opinion across, then you've got a real problem.

I think some of the members need to think before they post and realize that disagreeing is OK... there's no need to resort to that kind of shiat. JMO.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

I think Native Americans and Gays are bothered(or hurt) by these things,but I don't know where you start/stop rules about it.For one thing,we are terribly inconsistent about when we are outraged about comments about the way people are born.If it's wrong to say somebody is ugly,then why is it still o.k. to complain(or make fun of) the size of a man's penis,or a woman's chest? Imus is responsible for the show's content.In my opinion, he has let this Bernard character say stuff like this (with racial overtones) for far too long.I have always wondered how they got away with it.The audience knows he is playing a character(like CARROL O'CONNOR played.)THAT'S WHY THEY AREN'T OUTRAGED.They know the context of all this.I agree with Canon about most of this,but when it comes to issues concerning subjects where people have been harmed physically in the past(race,sexual orientation,) I can't say I agree.IMUS FCKED up pretty seriously.I understand that he is an entertainer,and playing a part.I understand the context of the show,but I think he is gunna get run.This was a mistake that he just can't make better.If it was just a comment about looks,or even sexual orientation,then I think he would survive.Fact is that he used the term "nappy- headed," and that is race specific,and I think it is gunna be curtains here.

[brianwspencer]

Parts of these last two pages are causing a blaring alarm from my irony meter.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Parts of these last two pages are causing a blaring alarm from my irony meter.

Good, that's important to us all, as well.

Thank you for reminding.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would hardly classify what he said as "hate speech". And if you stand by your words then why did you attempt to apologize? I have no problem with you but I think that people who turn bs like this into "racism" and "hate speech" are being petty and vindictive.
I'll say again, why can people call the president of the US names and say he is stupid and a criminal and it is ok but a shock jock says that a womans basketball team is nappy and thugish during a comedy bit and it is a criminal offense? Bill Maher and Bill O'Reilly both regularly say worse than this and no one pays attention.

No apologies from me, I was just making up numbers and playing "hypothetical" trainer. I didn't identify you or anyone.
If the arrow hit a mark, I wasn't shooting at you.
See how it is when some people take offense?
See how some defend?
See how some justify?
Look, you and I disagree on this. That's about it.
Imus gets to eat his words.
I don't eat mine. If you took mine to be an apology of some sort, nope.
Racism is wrong. Sexism is wrong.
The president and his allies get to give their own answers, but that's for a different thread.
Since you brought it up, I do love my country, just not those that are currently running it.

[Byebyemermaid]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

I listen to Imus everyday and he and his staff pick on everybody.I'm jewish and i laugh at the fun they make of jews.His producer Bernard does a routine as the cardinal where he announces the winning lotto numbers amongst other things and used to where a Fed-Ex letter package as a hat.I've yet to hear any Christian organization up in arms about it.Lets face it Al Shapton thrives on other peoples misery.That's the only time you hear from him.It's no different in the Sean Bell case.When all the evidence is produced it will be proven that those policemen acted wiuthin the guidelines.I'm still waiting for Sharpton to apologize about the Tawana Brawley case where a young girl made up a story that she was raped and had fecies put on her.It happened in Wappinger Falls NY.It ruined one guys life.Sharpton and his buddy Alton Maddox never apologized for what they did.The irony is that my sister in-laws parents were principals in schools in Brooklyn and Sharpton went there and was a troublemaker then already.Hey Al you happen to remember Yankel Rosenbaum who was killed in Brooklyn by Lemerick Nelson.

Now i remember the guys name in Wappinger Falls NY.It was Steve Pagonas whose life was ruined by the false accusations.Where was Sharpton when Lattrell Sprewell choked P. J. Carlessimo(a white person) not once but came back for more.He is nothing more than a leech or oppurtunist.Martin Luther King would consider him an embarassement.