Funny cide in washington park ??

Originally Posted by Scav

They are not going to run this horse unless the weather is condusive. I feel bad for Tagg because he gets the blame for running this horse into the ground. If he was allowed to be as patient as he is with Showing Up, Funny Cide would be winning races left and right, there isn't another horse out there with a bigger heart (not even the bootleg English Channel, KEV)

Showing Up's owners do nothing but show up for the picture in the winner's circle. Tagg is allowed to do whatever he wants. FC's owners are nice people but they are like the parents of a kid playing in little league that thinks they know better than the coach.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

it is rumored that funny cide and perfect drift are to run in chicago in AP's washington park handicapp (named for the old race venue) on the 29th on july.

i find this difficult to believe because PD is to face THE LAVA MAN (unbeaten in 5 races 3 grade 1's) at del mar in the pacific classic on the 20th of august. he won't run on 7-29 then 8-20,
then another prep JcGC?, then the BCC.

will funny cide run here ???

who knows or can find out ? Gander ?

hey secretariat , pd's schedule is washington park handicap,pacific classic,, then either back to the hawthorne gold cup or the ky gold cup at turfway a week later after hawtorne. the connections are undecided about where they are heading for the final prep before the bcc. but i think they will be heading back to hawthorne, one-purse, two- uncertainty of polytrack . yes, there will be no problem wheeling drift back for the pacific classic , done it the last 2 years. wph grade2 if he bouces a little off foster, no prob this a much weaker field. drift loves del mar always runs huge. lava man will be no problem as long as someone goes with lava man and they set honest fractions,drift beat him last year to lose to borrego(pfff) a joke .and pleastly perfect the year before.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I think we can DEFINITELY say that. Along with the 2 races you mentioned, he won the Kings Point and ran second in the G3 Excelsior this year. Two stakes wins and two more in the money finishes in graded stakes races is definitely respectable.
I don't think he is in Perfect Drift's league because PD is still a very solid G1 horse, and I would not think that Tagg would want to run him in the midwestern heat/humidity. But if the race ends up being Perfect Drift and a bunch of mules......maybe they take a shot. Funny Cide's recent form looks good, we all know that as good as PD is, he is not exactly a winner, and hell it is hot EVERYWHERE this summer. Unless they want to keep him on the shelf until October, they are probably going to have to run him somewhere hot.

exactly even tho i luv funny cide alot drift is a grade 1 caliber the fc is grade3 bordering grade 2 maybe, and thats a big maybe. fc has a ways to go to be back in the grade1s hope he does tho. but i say let him try his only other comp will be perfect drift and suave

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

You don't think Funny Cide can beat Perfect Drift? That would be the ultimate battle of hangers.

NO a chance yes this is horse racing but otherwise no

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Funny Cide is no hanger Slot. He sometimes fails to fire but he still has that tenacity when hes in front turning for home. His two wins this year have both been gutwrenchers down the lane where he had to fight off another horse.
Hes been a fighter his whole life. He really gets a bum rap because hes been managed so poorly since right after the triple crown and of course at his age(and Perfect Drifts age) you develop little nagging conditions and arent pristine anymore. Just imgaine where their contemporaries would be had they not been retired so long ago, I doubt that many would be at the level these two are at. Its hard ever to root against these two old horses.

yuppers oracle, they did xrays of drifts bones and joints, wear and tear etc. . the vets were simply amazed at 7 his joints were like a 3 year old

it doesn
t look like FC will be in the race. gander says he talked to the big yellow bus bunch and theyare clueless,
but,

i think FC has gotten past what bothered him the last 18 months,
i would NOT be surprised at all to see him win a bunch more this year. if they race him right he could have enough points to enter the BCC 11-4.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Thank god for geldings!

AMEN miraja

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

If Freefourinternet could beat Perfect Drift at Hawthorne then I'm going to say that FunnyCide would definitely have a chance to do the same at Arlington.

I don't know if this match-up is really going to happen but I gotta say that it would be great all around for racing to have these two warriors hook up. They both have their flaws but the fact that they're still racing is exciting.

I mentioned before, jokingly because I didn't think they would actually meet, that if FC and PD were to race against each other that this board would self destruct due to the massive amount of debate that would surely ensue between the "Funny Ciders" and the "Drifters".

your right would be nice to see these to warriors battle it out. but to say fc can be drift based on the gold up, noooooo way, the reason drift lost that race was not freeforinternet, it was pat day on drift with a horrible ride, so pat day beat perfect drift, any other ride drift wins and day admitted to it

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

it doesn
t look like FC will be in the race. gander says he talked to the big yellow bus bunch and theyare clueless,
but,

i think FC has gotten past what bothered him the last 18 months,
i would NOT be surprised at all to see him win a bunch more this year. if they race him right he could have enough points to enter the BCC 11-4.

i think he can still win also , i always root for him unless hes in a race with drift then my loyalty goes back to the drift camp

thre pages on a theoretical race.

you would think they would get him on a flight today.

look at all the interest this race would have, it would be a national event !

these two have almost 9 million dollars in earnings !

[Danzig]

someone needs to talk FC's connections into going to the pacific classic...a true battle of the geldings. hey, call declans peeps, get him in there too.

but i'd imagine we'll have to be content with lava man and the drift.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol

PD would KILL fc?? maybe a couple years ago, pd's best, when he won against mineshaft and congaree. but he's not quite the same as he was then. i think it would be an interesting race. and now declans moon is back as well. thank goodness for geldings....

maybe they should have a gelding incentive fund! pay out a bigger purse to those without their..er...essentials...

kill him, no but beat fc yes danzig all you got to do is look at the pps in your racing form and think about your answer again if youthink hes in the same class lol

[Danzig]

nowhere in there did i say FC would win. i just don't think PD would 'kill' him.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

I do think Perfect Drift is good for about 8-10 Beyer points more than Funny Cide these days when both are their best. Perfect Drift, however, will do anything to keep himself out of the winner's circle so he could conceivably run well below his potential to lose by a head, and generally does it seems. Maybe he thinks the camera steals his soul...if thats the case he should tell Barbara Livingstone to stay away. Perfect Drift is great for second but has no heart to win - Funny Cide on the other hand has all the heart to win and I'd love to see both here or against one another in the future. Lets also not forget that Perfect Drift is still competitive against Grade 1 competition - Brass Hat, Buzzards Bay, Flower Alley, Borrego, Lava Man, etc. in the last two years. It has taken a strong drop in class for Funny Cide to regain his form against Nolan's Cat, Gold and Roses, West Virginia, etc. Perfect Drift right now IMO is a much better horse and will earn several times what Funny Cide will this year, but if the two went head to head it would be much closer than it should be.

are you kidding me MR BEYER?LOL , that 99 beyer in the foster is a joke if no one doesnt think pd broke 100 at least 102, whoever gave out a 99 for that race was sleeping. i think bris gave drift a 102 or 103, beyer your biased as hell, NO HEART TO WIN whatever roses he won last year he gets barley nipped at the wire couldnt see seek gold to dig back down, that race was as good as a win, you say he has no heart to win he's only lost and took alot of 2nds to THE BEST HORSES IN THE GAME AND HORSES OF THE YEAR mineshaft congaree, plestaly perfect, roses in may, saint liam, gz, i could go on and on trust me roses he HAS THE HEART TO WIN

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

your right would be nice to see these to warriors battle it out. but to say fc can be drift based on the gold up, noooooo way, the reason drift lost that race was not freeforinternet, it was pat day on drift with a horrible ride, so pat day beat perfect drift, any other ride drift wins and day admitted to it

What else is Pat Day going to say? Of course he took the blame the horse was like 2:5 and Pat's a class guy.

I'll stick with my premise that on any given day the drift is beatable and FC is potentially a horse that could do it. If the drift needs a hall of fame ride to beat FFI then there is always the chance of another riding miscue that would leave him again second.

Look, this debate is pointless because it sounds like FC will not come. I said that were it to happen the Drift would be a deserving favorite based on paper, but not a lock that's for sure, he's never a lock.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

What else is Pat Day going to say? Of course he took the blame the horse was like 2:5 and Pat's a class guy.

I'll stick with my premise that on any given day the drift is beatable and FC is potentially a horse that could do it. If the drift needs a hall of fame ride to beat FFI then there is always the chance of another riding miscue that would leave him again second.

Look, this debate is pointless because it sounds like FC will not come. I said that were it to happen the Drift would be a deserving favorite based on paper, but not a lock that's for sure, he's never a lock.

yes ive posted that in another post also its horse racing and im a huge drift fan so i know all about no locks i agree but i am a pat day fan also but you watch that race again and that ride was horrible he asked nothing till it was to late to see ffi cause another horse was blocking pats view a 4 wide around the first turn not a ground saving trip either

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

What else is Pat Day going to say? Of course he took the blame the horse was like 2:5 and Pat's a class guy.

I'll stick with my premise that on any given day the drift is beatable and FC is potentially a horse that could do it. If the drift needs a hall of fame ride to beat FFI then there is always the chance of another riding miscue that would leave him again second.

Look, this debate is pointless because it sounds like FC will not come. I said that were it to happen the Drift would be a deserving favorite based on paper, but not a lock that's for sure, he's never a lock.

i think plain and simple pat thought he had the best horse that day and he did and thought-no worrys- and let his guard down . he got him beat but im not like other drift fans and go on a pat day hateing spree , i like pat one of my favs but he plain and simply took the race for granted

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

are you kidding me MR BEYER?LOL , that 99 beyer in the foster is a joke if no one doesnt think pd broke 100 at least 102, whoever gave out a 99 for that race was sleeping. i think bris gave drift a 102 or 103, beyer your biased as hell, NO HEART TO WIN whatever roses he won last year he gets barley nipped at the wire couldnt see seek gold to dig back down, that race was as good as a win, you say he has no heart to win he's only lost and took alot of 2nds to THE BEST HORSES IN THE GAME AND HORSES OF THE YEAR mineshaft congaree, plestaly perfect, roses in may, saint liam, gz, i could go on and on trust me roses he HAS THE HEART TO WIN

I was agreeing with you. I said Perfect Drift is far superior to Funny Cide. As for no heart to win - yeah he won ONCE last year against junk and tell yourself he couldnt see Seek Gold yada yada yada. Guidry was all over him - at least 20 whips - and he just wanted to be with the pack. Same goes for his loss to Roses in May in the Whitney two years ago. He just doesnt want to win - pack mentality like a lot of horses have - its an animal instinct not wanting to be away from the pack and he doesnt see himself as the alpha male. Settle down.

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

I was agreeing with you. I said Perfect Drift is far superior to Funny Cide. As for no heart to win - yeah he won ONCE last year against junk and tell yourself he couldnt see Seek Gold yada yada yada. Guidry was all over him - at least 20 whips - and he just wanted to be with the pack. Same goes for his loss to Roses in May in the Whitney two years ago. He just doesnt want to win - pack mentality like a lot of horses have - its an animal instinct not wanting to be away from the pack and he doesnt see himself as the alpha male. Settle down.

if he gets enough points to make the bcc, he could do some damage there. he trains and lives at CD!

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

I was agreeing with you. I said Perfect Drift is far superior to Funny Cide. As for no heart to win - yeah he won ONCE last year against junk and tell yourself he couldnt see Seek Gold yada yada yada. Guidry was all over him - at least 20 whips - and he just wanted to be with the pack. Same goes for his loss to Roses in May in the Whitney two years ago. He just doesnt want to win - pack mentality like a lot of horses have - its an animal instinct not wanting to be away from the pack and he doesnt see himself as the alpha male. Settle down.

a win is a win be it grade2 or 1 so for you to say he doesnt have the heart to win , last years wpk dont give me that junk crap cause as if you say he didnt have the heart he would have found a way to lose that day also. and losing by a nose i consider a win you are splitting hairs here to think he didnt have the foster a nose to me means nothing , he left the rest of that field in his wake and that was as good as a win most peoples eyes