War Pass --DB ? - Page 10

sumitas · #**181** 03-16-2008, 03:25 PM

In the case of the weakened War Pass we know somebody screwed up. Either Zito or La Penta or both. We also know for sure that horse racing continues to deceive the public by not disclosing health issues surrounding the entrants to a race.

hockey2315 · #**182** 03-16-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

In the case of the weakened War Pass we know somebody screwed up. Either Zito or La Penta or both. We also know for sure that horse racing continues to screw the public by not disclosing health issues surrounding the entrants to a race.

Umm. . . how do we know that?

sumitas · #**183** 03-16-2008, 03:29 PM

There are no required health reports on any entrant to any race. War Pass was not healthy or they just threw the race.

sumitas · #**184** 03-16-2008, 03:37 PM

No I just mentioned it's one or the other. If War Pass was healthy then there is no explanation for his race other than the fix. Clearly War Pass was weakened. He was not himself prolly due to the fever.

After all, he was not in bad position, 3rd down the backstretch. So a healthy War Pass was not racing yesterday.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #**185** 03-16-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

War Pass only costed $180K. . . LaPenta doesn't have money like the sheiks or coolmore. . . He's definitely not outbidding them

Picking out a horse that only cost 180,000 as a yearling, which is definitely not cheap for a yearling, that goes on to be a champion isn't that unusual.

Another certain trainer is worth mentioning in this circumstance. He picked out two champions as two-year-olds in training. Usually, good two-year-olds in training go for much more than good yearlings. Both horses cost $75,000 or less. One won the KD and Preakness, the other was a turf champion. This is a trainer that continues to climb the ranks with less quality stock than a lot of these guys like Zito.

hockey2315 · #**186** 03-16-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Picking out a horse that only cost 180,000 as a yearling, which is definitely not cheap for a yearling, that goes on to be a champion isn't that unusual.

Another certain trainer is worth mentioning in this circumstance. He picked out two champions as two-year-olds in training. Usually, good two-year-olds in training go for much more than good yearlings. Both horses cost $75,000 or less. One won the KD and Preakness, the other was a turf champion. This is a trainer that continues to climb the ranks with less quality stock than a lot of these guys like Zito.

Try reading what I responded to. . .

cmorioles · #**187** 03-16-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

At this point, I think that it is an insult to Zito to mention Lukas and him together. I would take Zito any day of the week over him.

As much as I like Nick Zito, and dislike DWL, his accomplishments in this game are dwarfed by Lukas.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #**188** 03-16-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

As much as I like Nick Zito, and dislike DWL, his accomplishments in this game are dwarfed by Lukas.

Yes, I can agree with you there. The facts can't be changed. As far as integrity, character, and honesty go, Lukas doesn't come close to Zito which is what I was referring to. Lukas's training skills are lacking as of late as well.

Danzig · #**189** 03-16-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Oh my god. That's a new one, they threw the race. WHy would they do that?

i have no idea, that's hilarious.

i could see someone saying zito didn't know what he was doing just based on having 1/4th of the field one year, and not hitting the board. but his career would show you differently, since he has won the derby in the past. i would imagine he knows what he's doing.
i can only imagine the scathing posts if it was dwl training war pass and this had happened.

somehow tho, i don't think bill mott, matz, shug, or any number of trainers would get the grief nick is getting had they been involved with this horse.
i also think zito is taking a lot of heat about this horse, because his run yesterday was so out of the norm for him. it can't have just been the horse, so what else could it be but the trainer? i also remember the amount of posts calling 'bullsh!t' when afleet alex had his lung infection and ran poorly. ooops...

ateamstupid · #**190** 03-16-2008, 04:36 PM

As much as I'm enjoying this, it probably should stop.

miraja2 · #**191** 03-16-2008, 05:44 PM

Since the other thread was closed, I guess I'll start a new one.
Apparently he is okay physically.
"All the preliminary tests we've done are good," Zito said. "He scoped clean after the race, his airways are great, and he had no infection."
The rest of the article:
http://www.drf.com/news/article/93020.html

King Glorious · #**192** 03-16-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Since the other thread was closed, I guess I'll start a new one.
Apparently he is okay physically.
"All the preliminary tests we've done are good," Zito said. "He scoped clean after the race, his airways are great, and he had no infection."
The rest of the article:
http://www.drf.com/news/article/93020.html

Of course, McGlaughlin said that same thing about Daaher.

Danzig · #**193** 03-16-2008, 05:50 PM

it's too soon to throw in the towel, king. besides, daaher had two clunkers in a row, war pass only has one blemish so far.

King Glorious · #**194** 03-16-2008, 05:53 PM

I don't think it's too soon. I hope it is but I have no belief that I'll ever see War Pass run again.

hi_im_god · #**195** 03-16-2008, 05:53 PM

with any luck this thread won't degenerate the way the last one did you cross dressing murderous turk loving child molester.

Danzig · #**196** 03-16-2008, 05:54 PM

i didn't think the other got that bad to be honest. i thought everyone played in the sand box well, with no one having to get stitches in their scalp.

Kasept · #**197** 03-16-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You got a recent example of a horse who ran that poorly(7-8 weeks before the Derby,)and still won the Derby? Would make more sense.Somebody run last in March,and then win the DERBY? I'd say the evidence points the other way,and people are putting a bib on a horse.You want us to be reasonable,but thinking this one has a decent chance to still win the Derby(if that's what you're selling) seems to be a statement without much reason.

I couldn't care one way or another if he wins the Derby, runs last in the Derby or even makes the Derby.

What I'm 'selling' is a reasonable approach to the ups and downs of horses as their careers unfold as opposed to knee jerk lunacy suggesting a previously undefeated Champion colt is minutes from retirement because he tossed in a non-effort clunker.

And I'm sorry I can't come up with a more recent example than dual Classic winner Afleet Alex who came within 2-3 strides of a Derby win and Triple Crown. My bad...

miraja2 · #**198** 03-16-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

I couldn't care one way or another if he wins the Derby, runs last in the Derby or even makes the Derby.

What I'm 'selling' is a reasonable approach to the ups and downs of horses as their careers unfold as opposed to knee jerk lunacy suggesting a previously undefeated Champion colt is minutes from retirement because he tossed in a non-effort clunker.

And I'm sorry I can't come up with a more recent example than dual Classic winner Afleet Alex who came within 2-3 strides of a Derby win and Triple Crown. My bad...

Unfortunately, I don't know that you will find many buyers.

The Bid · #**199** 03-16-2008, 09:24 PM

Id buy

hi_im_god · #**200** 03-16-2008, 09:26 PM

and i can't believe he lacks an appreciation of knee jerk lunacy.

it's like a vintner who doesn't like wine.