4/4 (AQU): Wood (G1); Carter (G1); Bay Shore (G3); Excelsior (G3)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Win/In stuff on the Derby trail is a moot discussion as a winner of a prep never gets excluded. The flaw, in my opinion, is that races in July 2008, at 5 furlongs or whatever, are treated the same as the Florida Derby... that just doesn't make sense.
There are some viable alternatives:

* Discount 2YO graded earnings
* Points system based upon grades, eliminating the $ factor
* DerbyTrail.com vote

I say count half of 2yo earnings.

OR

Count 100% of Grade 1 earnings... 75% of grade 2 earnings and 50% of grade 3 earnings.

May be too much math for the people at Churchill to understand though.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I say count half of 2yo earnings.

OR

Count 100% of Grade 1 earnings... 75% of grade 2 earnings and 50% of grade 3 earnings.

May be too much math for the people at Churchill to understand though.

Even though the graded stakes system is flawed to begin with, I think this idea has some legs.
If there was a point system, it could be something like this, with the 3-yo stakes essentially being worth double the 2-yo stakes races.

2-year old graded stakes races
Grade 1
1st 8 points
2nd 4 points
3rd 2 points

Grade 2
1st 6 points
2nd 3 points
3rd 1 point

Grade 3
1st 3 points
2nd 1 points
3rd 0 points

3-year old graded stakes races

1st 16 points
2nd 8 points
3rd 4 points

Grade 2
1st 12 points
2nd 6 points
3rd 2 point

Grade 3
1st 6 points
2nd 2 points
3rd 1 point

[slotdirt]

I'd be genuinely interested in learning how the system mentioned above would guarantee Dunkirk an entry in the Derby, because if my math is remotely right, it still wouldn't.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'd be genuinely interested in learning how the system mentioned above would guarantee Dunkirk an entry in the Derby, because if my math is remotely right, it still wouldn't.

It's not supposed to.
It would only make a horse like Big Drama, who won a Grade 3 as a 2-year old, a lot less "automatic" to make the field because of purse money.

[Mike]

I've tried to smarten up with my picks from yesterday. Not going with Giant Oak(pass the race), and I'm not going with Yano, I'm making a conservative exacta box of Capt. Candyman Can/Gato Go Win.

[ateamstupid]

I like Lyin' Heart in the Bay Shore and (gulp) Alaazo in the Excelsior if the track is playing fair. I don't have anything clever for the other stakes.

[sumitas]

is this gonna be on msg ?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by sumitas

is this gonna be on msg ?

The Wood and Carter are.

[ateamstupid]

Wow!

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wow!

You can say that again! I will Wow!

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wow!

yup, can't say much more then that


did he even use the stick?


-bt-

[IrishofNDMan]

yeah, wow is pretty much all you can say. Derby favorite for sure imo.

[ArlJim78]

thats how you do it. wow indeed.
that was a real derby type experience and he showed that he can handle pretty much anything.

[pointman]

Wow, he just showed in one race everything you want to see, can overcome just about any trouble.

[slotdirt]

I hope someone used Giant Moon, incidentally.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by -BT-

yup, can't say much more then that


did he even use the stick?


-bt-

No, never went to the stick. Imperial Council was terrible, could he have gotten a better trip?

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by -BT-

yup, can't say much more then that


did he even use the stick?


-bt-

I don't think he ever did!

[Mike]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I hope someone used Giant Moon, incidentally.

Nope, I passed

[ateamstupid]

Fabulous Strike is a hell of a racehorse.

[slotdirt]

Agreed.