8/7 (DMR): Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1) - Page 11

cmorioles · #**201** 08-08-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is silly. He was flat, one time. I pray he comes back in the Woodward, then everything will be fine again.

Silly? He has never proven he wants that far outside of the silly 9f races at GP where speed has a HUGE advantage. Good luck betting him the rest of the year.

the_fat_man · #**202** 08-08-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

Coming to your senses, I see. Good for you. Let's expand this a bit: QR won't be a factor in the CLASSIC --- if he makes it there. Blame eats his lunch whenever he wants.

Rachel who?

Cannon Shell · #**203** 08-08-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Zenyatta is arguably the greatest race horse we will see in our life time, but the day is coming when she no longer wants to race and as a 6 yo mare the day is coming soon.

That would be a pretty short argument

cmorioles · #**204** 08-08-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Coming to your senses, I see. Good for you. Let's expand this a bit: QR won't be a factor in the CLASSIC --- if he makes it there. Blame eats his lunch whenever he wants.

Rachel who?

If you follow me, and you do, you know I've never been on the QR bandwagon. His 121 Beyer was a total fraud.

RockHardTen1985 · #**205** 08-08-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Silly? He has never proven he wants that far outside of the silly 9f races at GP where speed has a HUGE advantage. Good luck betting him the rest of the year.

Im not sure I would ever bet him, I mean say he comes back in the Woodward with a few bullets... I would have to assume he would be favored again, no?

cmorioles · #**206** 08-08-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not sure I would ever bet him, I mean say he comes back in the Woodward with a few bullets... I would have to assume he would be favored again, no?

Not against Blame obviously. Under what circumstances is he ever beating him at 9f or longer?

RockHardTen1985 · #**207** 08-08-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Not against Blame obviously. Under what circumstances is he ever beating him at 9f or longer?

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

Rileyoriley · #**208** 08-08-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How exactly is RA an afterthought?

Because she lost her first two off of a 9 month layoff for a guy who is a statistical deadbeat as a layoff trainer?

If St. Trinians simply broke cleanly in the Vanity - there's no possible way Zenyatta would still be undefeated.

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

the_fat_man · #**209** 08-08-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

That's a contradiction. There was NEVER a point where the chasers put any pressure on him; never a point where they cut into his lead or appeared to threaten him. 8:1 on the exacta.

robfla · #**210** 08-08-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

cmorioles · #**211** 08-08-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

I have no idea how long you have followed racing so I won't give you too much crap. How often do you see horses at the G1 level "just have a bad day" then revert right back to top form? I'll give you a clue...it isn't very often. But, to be honest, I don't think it was a bad day. I think it was a horse a tad past his best distance getting beaten by a better horse despite having things his own way.

As for your clear lead projection, that rarely works out either. The answer to a speed horse getting run down is not to go faster next time, but good luck with that theory.

letswastemoney · #**212** 08-08-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

RockHardTen1985 · #**213** 08-08-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I have no idea how long you have followed racing so I won't give you too much crap. How often do you see horses at the G1 level "just have a bad day" then revert right back to top form? I'll give you a clue...it isn't very often. But, to be honest, I don't think it was a bad day. I think it was a horse a tad past his best distance getting beaten by a better horse despite having things his own way.

As for your clear lead projection, that rarely works out either. The answer to a speed horse getting run down is not to go faster next time, but good luck with that theory.

Im a firm believer of letting your horse run, dont look around, dont play games, dont try to rate. Like I said, maybe Im making excuses for the horse I dream of.

Rileyoriley · #**214** 08-08-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla

You don't think more casual fans and even non-racing folks would tune in to watch an undefeated female against an undefeated male if the race was promoted well beforehand? Sure RA v. Zenyatta would draw racing fans but I thought the sport wanted to draw new fans.

Cannon Shell · #**215** 08-08-2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

Enlighten me again why we should be so concerned about casual fans and younger fans?

Unless you aren't a fan of the game you know about Blame. This idea that the "casual" fan is ever going to become a betting fan has been proven to be a myth time and time again. The cold hard truth is that there isn't going to be a game for these younger generation fans to grow to love (or bet on which is the only tangible way to support the sport as a fan) unless the real fans aren't focused on.

10 pnt move up · #**216** 08-08-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

They had 35 thousand yesterday?

Its a great sport we have though.

Rileyoriley · #**217** 08-08-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

I disagree. My friend was up for the weekend. She follows Trotters more than TBs but she does watch the TC races and the Breeders Cup. She knew who Zenyatta was and she did ask "whatever happened to that filly that won the Preakness last year?". Casual fans don't have TVG or HRTV. They don't have to know Blame's name. The girl v. boy angle would attract more attention I believe.

tiggerv · #**218** 08-08-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

If you follow me, and you do, you know I've never been on the QR bandwagon. His 121 Beyer was a total fraud.

Did you create a figure for yesterday's race yet? Early word was a 111 Beyer for Blame which seems way too high to me.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**219** 08-08-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

Rileyoriley · #**220** 08-08-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.