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[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah lets get the FBI involved. This is of the utmost importance.

There are billions wagered and a lot of chicanery going on. The people are the government and both are getting screwed. Real money being stolen from people who should be protected. The results are basically fixed and therefore indeed authorities need be involved.

You cant compete so if you want to survive you have to give your stock to an envelope pusher and I will and have. If you want to be involved you have to vet the schiit out the horse and play in the gray area. I dont think any owner should do less, until authorities cleans up the skys/tracks..."give everyone a piece"! if someone is coming into your house every week with a gun and stealing your stuff you have to go out and buy a gun or the government has to protect you. it really is pretty simple. All these trainers that are using pure horsemanship to try and survive aren't. You think juan Carlos knows more about horses then ......... ........... ..........and........? Please.. Within weeks of getting his trainers license Rudy was moving up horses like crazy.. How does that happen? How do the people that are suppose to protect the public let that happen?..

F it go get your gun and protect your investment nobody who can make a difference has. It's the wild wild west on the backstretch.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Do you remember the All in the Family episode when Archie does an op ed commentary on Hi Jacking? His brilliant idea was to give everyone "a piece" to combat crimnals.

How hard is it to really find out what Juan Carlos/Rudy/Ness etc. is giving the horses. you have to get the FBI involved and clean out the vermin. They will come back in time but it is insane now.

I believe he said " arm your passengers. " One of my all-time favorites.

Originally Posted by freddymo

There are billions wagered and a lot of chicanery going on. The people are the government and both are getting screwed. Real money being stolen from people who should be protected. The results are basically fixed and therefore indeed authorities need be involved.

You cant compete so if you want to survive you have to give your stock to an envelope pusher and I will and have. If you want to be involved you have to vet the schiit out the horse and play in the gray area. I dont think any owner should do less, until authorities cleans up the skys/tracks..."give everyone a piece"! if someone is coming into your house every week with a gun and stealing your stuff you have to go out and buy a gun or the government has to protect you. it really is pretty simple. All these trainers that are using pure horsemanship to try and survive aren't. You think juan Carlos knows more about horses then ......... ........... ..........and........? Please.. Within weeks of getting his trainers license Rudy was moving up horses like crazy.. How does that happen? How do the people that are suppose to protect the public let that happen?..

F it go get your gun and protect your investment nobody who can make a difference has. It's the wild wild west on the backstretch.

A pebble in an ocean.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Juan Carlos Guerrero was 72% W/P/S in 2010. Clearly, no trainer is able to deliver more for his owners then Mr. Guerrero! If you have a hard knocking claimer on the east coast Mr. G is cash money. 70 plus % of the time Mr. G is delivering slot fueled monsta purses for him peeps. And people say the little guy is dead in racing. Here is a perfect example how a little guy can claim a horse for between 5 and 10k and run him back 40 days later and get a terriffic slot bloated check. It goes to show you no matter how bad things are someone is always working harder to get the job done, a true professional. Kudos Mr G. you rock!

What Guerrero is doing is making what guys like Dutrow and Wolfson do seem like child's play. I know Philly park is a bit of a dump and the racing there isn't much, but come on....to let a guy like this continue to do what he is doing? Pretty sad on Philly Park's part.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

What Guerrero is doing is making what guys like Dutrow and Wolfson do seem like child's play. I know Philly park is a bit of a dump and the racing there isn't much, but come on....to let a guy like this continue to do what he is doing? Pretty sad on Philly Park's part.

The guy is stealing. Pletcher's horses are in the money 52% of the time. the very best of the cheaters are in the high 50's maybe low 60's.. Juan Carlos is 72% that is insane.. Parx's purses are terriffic so even if it a hole in the ground for racing it still offers a place to race a horse that isnt very fast and make a buck.. Juan carlos is just stealing and nobody cares

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The guy is stealing. Pletcher's horses are in the money 52% of the time. the very best of the cheaters are in the high 50's maybe low 60's.. Juan Carlos is 72% that is insane.. Parx's purses are terriffic so even if it a hole in the ground for racing it still offers a place to race a horse that isnt very fast and make a buck.. Juan carlos is just stealing and nobody cares

I can't figure out who should get the "Best Cheater" Eclipse for 2010. Either Guerrero, or Mike Chambers at Turf Paradise. It is way too close to call. Chambers is 30 for 50 at the meet last I checked...winners, not in the money.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I can't figure out who should get the "Best Cheater" Eclipse for 2010. Either Guerrero, or Mike Chambers at Turf Paradise. It is way too close to call. Chambers is 30 for 50 at the meet last I checked...winners, not in the money.

Not sure why anyone would want to race or bet Turf paradise. I see john Sherriffs had 84 starts for the year? Is training his hobby or career?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I can't figure out who should get the "Best Cheater" Eclipse for 2010. Either Guerrero, or Mike Chambers at Turf Paradise. It is way too close to call. Chambers is 30 for 50 at the meet last I checked...winners, not in the money.

He's just lucky is all. How dare you

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not sure why anyone would want to race or bet Turf paradise. I see john Sherriffs had 84 starts for the year? Is training his hobby or career?

Now we know why he didn't travel with Zenyatta. There is no way to oversee such a huge operation from the road.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not sure why anyone would want to race or bet Turf paradise. I see john Sherriffs had 84 starts for the year? Is training his hobby or career?

Yet there are people voting for him as Trainer of the Year.

Too funny.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yet there are people voting for him as Trainer of the Year.

Too funny.

You have to understand that training Zenyatta was very involved.

[Sightseek]

Who else should get it -- Pletcher?

[freddymo]

Pletcher is a terriffic trainer so are a lot of guys that play in the "grayground" just because you know how to ....... doesnt mean you cant train. It's the guys that cant train that win like crazy that drives me nutz.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Who else should get it -- Pletcher?

How about Jerry Hollendorfer? In an era where other leading trainers don't run their horses, his handling of Blind Luck's throwback campaign was an anomoly among current training trends. Add in the fact that he had a Breeders' Cup winner (Dakota Phone) and trained Tuscan Evening, arguably the top (or certainly no worse than second) North American-based turf female prior to her untimely death from his type of stable is pretty good stuff.

Pletcher's handling of Eskendereya and the Life At Ten fiasco would be disqualifying in my book.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

How about Jerry Hollendorfer? In an era where other leading trainers don't run their horses, his handling of Blind Luck's throwback campaign was an anomoly among current training trends. Add in the fact that he had a Breeders' Cup winner (Dakota Phone) and trained Tuscan Evening, arguably the top (or certainly no worse than second) North American-based turf female prior to her untimely death from his type of stable is pretty good stuff.

Pletcher's handling of Eskendereya and the Life At Ten fiasco would be disqualifying in my book.

I would be all for it. Currently, voting by leading money winner or win percentage is pretty much awarding part of the problem of current training methods, campaigning of horses and "super stables."

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Aren't they busy with Cam Newton

Indirectly. They're after a few bankers who just so happen to be Auburn boosters.

Try again.