Federal judge overturns Florida law requiring drug testing welfare recipients

[somerfrost]

As usual, the war of statistics...you either are a person who feels people come first (before political ideology, sound bites from one side or the other, and greed) or you don't. The "what's mine is mine and if I think you might take even a minute piece of that causes me to hate you" philosophy may be satisfying in the short run, but what goes around comes around and in these uncertain days, to quote Dylan, "the first one now will later be last". Look down upon the disadvantaged, the poor and the needy but don't forget to occasionally look in the mirror..."there but for the grace of God..."

[Riot]

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Just to be clear again I came up with the fact African Americans are five times as likely to be on welfare by using YOUR source that gave me the 38% v. 37% .

I don't see that in the source I gave. Cut and paste the applicable paragraph, and web link, please.

The myth of the "welfare queen" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen

Rick Scott, president of a medical services company who had to pay 1.7 billion in fraud and damages for Medicare fraud, was somehow then elected Governor of Florida, a state filled with Medicare recipients.

Go figure that one, huh?

One of the first things Scott does, is accuse "welfare queens" of being drug addicts (even though we're in a recession and we have the highest unemployment since the depression), and he orders that anyone applying for assistance has to take and pay for their own drug test. Oh - by the way, his company of Florida clinics specializes in doing drug tests (he put that company in his wife's name when he was elected Governor).

The result? Less than 2% of assistance seekers even turn up positive for drugs, Florida is now out multiple thousands per month to pay for the unneeded drug tests (out of a decreased state budget to start with), Gov. Rick Scott's drug testing clinics are making thousands a month - until a Federal Judge puts a kabosh on the whole damn scam by pointing out there is no evidence "welfare recipients are drug abusers".

And people wonder why Occupy Wall Street exists.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Just to be clear again I came up with the fact African Americans are five times as likely to be on welfare by using YOUR source that gave me the 38% v. 37% and then 2010 census numbers for population breakdown according to race.

What does YOUR source say about Obama Care for the muff?

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by clyde

What does YOUR source say about Obama Care for the muff?

As long as that muff ain't making no money, I say, give that muff a check!!!!! Free money for all lazy muffs. (We all know, however, that muffs are gettin paid)

[clyde]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

As long as that muff ain't making no money, I say, give that muff a check!!!!! Free money for all lazy muffs. (We all know, however, that muffs are gettin paid)

snarf!!



!!!!OOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't see that in the source I gave. Cut and paste the applicable paragraph, and web link, please.
.

Here ya go

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White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Here ya go

Thanks. As pointed out, it's true that the majority of welfare recipients are not black. Are they?

Now, your math ... I suggest you use the same years census data. Not reaching for different data

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thanks. As pointed out, it's true that the majority of welfare recipients are not black. Are they?

Now, your math ... I suggest you use the same years census data. Not reaching for different data

I took your suggestion and went back and did the numbers using both the 1990 and 2000 census stats (http://www.census.gov/prod/3/98pubs/p23-194.pdf page 14) and back then an African American was six times as likely as a white person, to be on welfare. So we've come a long way.

And true the majority of welfare recipients are white if that makes you feel better.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

even with http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm ..where race is slanted tward hire of those with color..i am not allowed to act like they havent been given a huge hand up..yet the welfare numbers soar..as far as my take on the johnsons..ive seen it daily..first hand

[dellinger63]

Some people have a Mercedes in the driveway and some have one in the family portrait. I don’t want to be forced to subsidize either.

You want to have a Mercedes? Then you pay for it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Some people have a Mercedes in the driveway and some have one in the family portrait. I don’t want to be forced to subsidize either.

You want to have a Mercedes? Then you pay for it.

Give me a break! I've worked all my life with low income families and this hate-induced propaganda about expensive cars is a bunch of bull. Are there folks who cheat the system? Of course, on Wall Street as well as on welfare but that's just an excuse to put the blame on the poor. I also don't give a rat's behind regarding what color folks on welfare are...folks are folks! One of these days, people are gonna wake up and discover that societies don't crumble from the bottom, they decay starting at the top.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Give me a break! I've worked all my life with low income families and this hate-induced propaganda about expensive cars is a bunch of bull.

My statement regarding the Mercedes in the driveway was referring to idiots who took out a loan on their home to buy it and are now crying poor and wanting a hand out. Or execs at AIG and GM who were bailed out on the backs of the taxpayer.

Mercedes in the family portrait? Well yea that referred to no/low income folks you were talking about.

I'm all for people succeeding, on their own. It's what makes this country great. Our poor are rich compared to the rest of the world. I'm simply trying to stop the march towards socialism.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

My statement regarding the Mercedes in the driveway was referring to idiots who took out a loan on their home to buy it and are now crying poor and wanting a hand out. Or execs at AIG and GM who were bailed out on the backs of the taxpayer.

Mercedes in the family portrait? Well yea that referred to no/low income folks you were talking about.

I'm all for people succeeding, on their own. It's what makes this country great. Our poor are rich compared to the rest of the world. I'm simply trying to stop the march towards socialism.

Saying "our" poor are rich compared to the rest of the world is meaningless to those who are poor. If you are elderly and have to decide whether to buy food or needed medicine, unemployed and unable to pay bills, living in the middle of the war zones which are our inner cities etc. it's small comfort to be told there are others worse off than you. Rather than worry about socialism, you might spend more time thinking about being led to the brink of our society's collapse by those who care only about greed. How much is enough?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Saying "our" poor are rich compared to the rest of the world is meaningless to those who are poor. If you are elderly and have to decide whether to buy food or needed medicine, unemployed and unable to pay bills, living in the middle of the war zones which are our inner cities etc. it's small comfort to be told there are others worse off than you. Rather than worry about socialism, you might spend more time thinking about being led to the brink of our society's collapse by those who care only about greed. How much is enough?

What is important is that we keep them from being poor. We learned recently that poor people are the cause of rape and murder. Thanks Uncle Joe!

[SOREHOOF]

There is one group of people in this Country who have been living high on the hog off of taxpayer money, and are directly responsible for almost every mess affecting this Country, that should be drug tested now. Congress. And every member of every Federal Agency in the Executive Branch.