It's Obama's fault...

[bigrun]

Guy can't catch a break.....at least he didn't abandon ship.......yet....

It wouldn't make a difference if he did. Americans are conditioned and utterly f.ucking retarded.

[Danzig]

keystone pipeline shot down today. they already have one line, but can't build a second one because the state dept 'can't get it all cleared soon enough'....uh, they already cleared it, but now there was a discussion about moving the thing, so they had to re-clear it...

yeah, he can sign ndaa on new years eve when no one is paying attention, but not this....might have cost him some votes in november.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Guy can't catch a break.....at least he didn't abandon ship.......yet....

nice.

i think some of his shipmates might be leaving him tho.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

keystone pipeline shot down today. they already have one line, but can't build a second one because the state dept 'can't get it all cleared soon enough'....uh, they already cleared it, but now there was a discussion about moving the thing, so they had to re-clear it...

yeah, he can sign ndaa on new years eve when no one is paying attention, but not this....might have cost him some votes in november.

The Keystone Pipeline has to be move out of the aquafier zone. The Republican party put a rushed approval without that plan as part of the tax deal.

At the time, the President said he wouldn't approve Keystone without the alternative plan, so he didn't. This was no surprise that State would not sign off on an incomplete plan, nor the President.

I don't know why anybody would support not doing the required environment review, just ignoring that. Maybe Ron Paul and Dell want the free market to protect our largest aquifier from an oil company. Not me, thanks. Love me some regulation about my water, thanks.

The GOP gambled they could force a rushed deal, and they were wrong.

Boehner owning thousands of dollars in pipeline company stock - well, he has alot of 'esplaining to do to his corporate masters about this delay.

Keystone can and will be brought back when they have the completed alternative plans avoiding the possibility of contaminating our largest aquafier supplying water to 1/3 of our country.

It's alot of fuss for something that Canada will not allow due to environmental threats, that they are only trying to divert through the much longer route through the US to get to our gulf, where the tar oil will be exported. The other downside, aside from environmental threat, is that it will raise prices on our Midwestern oil as they share the same pipeline components now.

Not much benefit for the US with the pipeline, just alot of threat to our environment. We do not get the tar oil from this pipeline refined in the US or used in the US. This pipeline will not be providing us with any "energy" or oil at all. It's all gonna be shipped overseas where the market is better. The jobs are in the hundreds, not the "thousands" as falsely maintained.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's all gonna be shipped overseas where the market is better. The jobs are in the hundreds, not the "thousands" as falsely maintained.

LOL

[Danzig]

The pipeline is critical to Canada, which must have infrastructure in place to export its growing oil sands production from northern Alberta. The region has the world's third largest oil reserves with 170 billion barrels of proven reserves. Daily production of 1.5 million barrels from the oil sands is expected to increase to 3.7 million in 2025. Only Saudi Arabia and Venezuela have more reserves.

MacDougall said Harper also reiterated to Obama that Canada will look to sell its oil to Asia. Harper previously called Obama's decision to delay the Keystone XL delay a "wake up call" and said Canada is far too dependent on the U.S., which Canada relies on for 97 percent of its energy exports.

With the product of oil sands and pipeline delivery to the U.S. under perennial clouds of environmental objection, Canada wants to ensure a market for the growing production.

The price of North American oil also sells for less than oil sold internationally because of a glut of Canadian oil in Cushing, Oklahoma, so shipping the oil to Asia would command a better price.

Alberta Premier Alison Redford said Obama's decision strengthens Canada's resolve to pursue access to alternative markets.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46046024...il_and_energy/


was watching cnn this afternoon while huffing and puffing away on the treadmill at the gym; they said about 6k jobs to build the pipeline. of course i have no idea how many it takes to maintain it once it's in place-but you'd have to think a few thousand new jobs there would have an ancillary effect on economies in the regions the pipeline will traverse.
so, obama tells canada to forget it because he wants to play politics, because the republicans wanted to play politics. that's great! marvelous. once again the american public gets the shaft because our bozos in office want to try to play some stupid game.
meanwhile, canada will still do what they've got to do, but now maybe another country-they mentioned china- will reap the benefits. that's just fantastic.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, obama tells canada to forget it because he wants to play politics, because the republicans wanted to play politics.

No. Obama told Canada no, because environmental reviews are not completed, the alternative plan they are to submit to avoid the aquafier hasn't been yet submitted, because the Republicans forced Obama to make a decision before those things were done.

The pipeline will be reviewed again when they submit those things. The President made sure that his current denial included that provision.

BTW - it is the Republican Governor of Nebraska that is leading the charge for delaying the pipeline until environmental threats can be mitigated.

With the product of oil sands and pipeline delivery to the U.S. under perennial clouds of environmental objection, Canada wants to ensure a market for the growing production.

Look at a map. Where are the nearest ports for shipping to the Canadian Oil Sands? Why doesn't Canada export it's own oil, out of it's own shipping ports? Because they won't allow the pipelines to be built across their own country due to environmental concerns! Because they refuse to build oil transfer ports on their own bays and great lakes! They refuse to allow those pipelines to transverse their own wilderness!

The black pipeline, below, already exists. If the XL addition is built, that increases the cost to us of moving our own oil in the midwest. This is NOT regular oil pipeline. This is abrasive, tar sand pipeline. It is not the same thing. There have already been 11 spills on the existing pipeline over it's existence.

[Danzig]

Guy can't catch a break.....at least he didn't abandon ship.......yet....

some indie voters abandoning him....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/us...ng-voters.html


Poll Sees Shift in Independent Vote, a Hurdle for ObamaBy JEFF ZELENY and DALIA SUSSMAN
Published: January 18, 2012


President Obama opens his re-election bid facing significant obstacles among independent voters, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, with the critical piece of the electorate that cemented his victory four years ago open to denying him a second term.


and further down:

“I trusted Obama would bring fresh ideas to the country and improve the economy, even though he was not experienced. It didn’t happen,” said Jay Hernandez, 54, a credit manager from Miami who said that he is not aligned with either party, in a follow-up interview. “If there were another Democratic candidate I might reconsider, but I won’t vote for Barack Obama.”


of course, republicans aren't exactly a great alternative:

the poll suggests that Republicans have grown less satisfied with their choices. Nearly 7 in 10 Republican voters across the country said they now want more options, a probable reflection of conservative unease about Mr. Romney and the remaining candidates.

[Danzig]

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...9050#c61669050


tsk tsk...yet another nail in the hope and change coffin lid.

obama-just another pol who will tell you whatever he has to in order to get votes. and it worked. i always said he was naive when he said he would perform all those feats that are gone undone.
nope, it's the people who believed him and fell for his bs hook line and sinker.


everyone want change? vote against every imcumbent in the next election. encourage everyone you know to do the same. one of the pols on the ballot do a good job? good-get him out of there before he becomes that which he currently is not. get them out before they become entrenched, before they develop that congressional attitude of 'i know what's best, and this lobbyist is awesome'. that will give a wake-up call to those who aren't on the ballot this year, but will be next time 'round. we all know the next guy won't be any better-but we need a regular flushing of that d.c. toilet.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Danzig

keystone pipeline shot down today. they already have one line, but can't build a second one because the state dept 'can't get it all cleared soon enough'....uh, they already cleared it, but now there was a discussion about moving the thing, so they had to re-clear it...

yeah, he can sign ndaa on new years eve when no one is paying attention, but not this....might have cost him some votes in november.

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...8341-state-eis


this is from aug 2011-if state cleared it, why did obama blame state and say they couldn't get it cleared???

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

BTW - it is the Republican Governor of Nebraska that is leading the charge for delaying the pipeline until environmental threats can be mitigated.

Sigh I guess not


Nebraska's Republican Gov. Dave Heineman, whose state is a key part of the Keystone XL oil pipeline debate, expressed his disappointment with the final decision the Obama administration made yesterday to kill the project.
"I want to say I'm very disappointed," Heineman told POLITICO. "I think the president made a mistake."



http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...ke-111473.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Sigh I guess not


Nebraska's Republican Gov. Dave Heineman, whose state is a key part of the Keystone XL oil pipeline debate, expressed his disappointment with the final decision the Obama administration made yesterday to kill the project.
"I want to say I'm very disappointed," Heineman told POLITICO. "I think the president made a mistake."



http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...ke-111473.html

Sigh. I guess so. If you read two sentence beyond what you quote, it says, "The White House has used Heineman as political cover in the fight, pointing to the fact that the original route approved by the State Department was opposed by Heineman for ecological reasons."

There is plenty more out there, over the past year, about Heineman's opposition. His opposition is why there was supposed to be an alternative plan avoiding the aquafier, which TransCanada did not yet submit, thus why State and Obama have so far not approved Keystone XL.

Opinion
Six reasons Keystone XL was a bad deal all along

By Sally Kohn

Published January 18, 2012

| FoxNews.com

1. Keystone XL Would Not Reduce Foreign Oil Dependency

The oil to be sent through Keystone XL pipeline was never destined for US markets. In its own presentation to investors about the proposed pipeline extension, TransCanada (the company behind Keystone XL) boasted that most if not all of the extracted and refined oil would be exported --- sold in oversees markets where oil fetches a higher price (and thus turns a higher profit for the company).

2. Keystone XL Would Have Increased Domestic Oil Prices

Currently, Canadian oil reserves stored in the Midwest help suppress gas prices in the United States, particularly for farmers in our nation’s heartland.

In its permit application for the pipeline, TransCanada noted that the Keystone XL pipeline would allow the company to drain these reserves and export that fuel as well. According to TransCanada’s own statements, this would raise gas prices in the United States, especially in the Midwest.

3. Keystone XL Overstated Number of Jobs to be Created

In 2008, TransCanada’s original permit application to the State Department said the Keystone XL pipeline would create “a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel” in temporary jobs building the pipeline.

By 2011, now facing growing opposition to the pipeline, TransCanada had inflated these numbers (using undisclosed formulas) to 20,000. Supporters of the proposal, backed by big oil, have since trumpeted these trumped up numbers.

4. Current Keystone Pipeline Leaked 12 Times in Last Year

The pipeline that the Obama administration has rejected the permit for would be an extension of a pipeline that has already leaked -- not just once, but 12 times in the last year.

While TransCanada tried to dismiss these leaks as “minor” averaging “just five to 10 gallons of oil” each, the leak on May 7, 2011 near Millner, N.D., spilled about 21,000 gallons of oil in total.

5. The Environmental Concerns About Oil Leaks Are Justified

Nebraska’s Republican Governor Dave Heineman strongly opposed the Keystone XL project because the pipeline would run through a massive and vital aquifer in his state the supplies clean drinking water to over 2 million Americans plus water that fuels the region’s agriculture industry.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz1jxhO1rxv

[geeker2]

so I guess the "cover" is now gone...


"I fully expect we could get it done certainly in the early September, August time frame," the governor told Fox News on Thursday. "I would send the letter back to the president of the United States saying we approve it and if he were decisive, he could turn around and approve it shortly thereafter, well before the November election."

Read all of the propaganda, geeker. Love Obama.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Read all of the propaganda, geeker. Love Obama.

SIGH.... how can you help but

[Danzig]

Barack Obama vows to do 'whatever it takes' to grow economy
AFP Jan 7, 2012, 05.08PM IST
Tags:white house|united states|Labor department
WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama promised on Saturday to do "whatever it takes" to maintain growth in the US economy as he announced a summit with business leaders dedicated to job creation at home.

"This year, I'm going to keep doing whatever it takes to move this economy forward and to make sure that middle class families regain the security they've lost over the past decade," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address.


...there must be fine print somewhere that add the caveat 'as long as it doesn't irritate some potential voters'. i know somewhere along the line he said he would do what was necessary, even if it meant only one term. just like all other politicians, when his lips move he's lying.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/congress-legal...013431403.html


interesting...wonder how this is going to shake out.