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Old 02-02-2012, 05:18 PM
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We are talking about countries no larger than Texas in most cases
True. Easy for Vermont to go single payer, California just voted it down.

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I have no problems with my insurance companies, they do an excellent job. I paid about $900 out of pocket for a shoulder surgery I had last year and was happy to do so. Total tab was around $22K after all was said and done.
I loved my insurance company, too, for years and years: until they decided, six months after they agreed to pay, not to pay for a major surgery, leaving me on the hook for nearly $50,000.

Luckily, I could afford to pay that, and afford to sue the insurance company. Where, hopefully, arbitration looks like I"ll get a refund check this year, years later.

That's how people declare medical bankruptcy. Or if they can't afford their out of pockets for their problem. What if you or I had a major auto accident, and we ended up with $20,000 as our "out of pocket"? 40% of Americans now live at or near poverty level. Few can afford to pay that back, even over time.
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:40 PM
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True. Easy for Vermont to go single payer, California just voted it down.



I loved my insurance company, too, for years and years: until they decided, six months after they agreed to pay, not to pay for a major surgery, leaving me on the hook for nearly $50,000.

Luckily, I could afford to pay that, and afford to sue the insurance company. Where, hopefully, arbitration looks like I"ll get a refund check this year, years later.

That's how people declare medical bankruptcy. Or if they can't afford their out of pockets for their problem. What if you or I had a major auto accident, and we ended up with $20,000 as our "out of pocket"? 40% of Americans now live at or near poverty level. Few can afford to pay that back, even over time.
California has Medi-Cal which has about bankrupt the state already and is an excellent example of what is to come of our health-care system, single payer would be a nightmare for a state that has such a high population of illegals.
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[quote=Riot;836014]Canadians each pay into their system about the percentage of their income that we do for our elder Medicare coverage. Yet they are covered 100% from cradle to grave, and we only use that same amount of money to pay for some services for those 65-68 and older.

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there are 34 million people in canada. there are 307 million people in america.

just use your head. comparing the US health care system to canada or other european countries is like comparing apples and oranges.

healthcare isnt black and white, and things arent easy.
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Canadians each pay into their system about the percentage of their income that we do for our elder Medicare coverage. Yet they are covered 100% from cradle to grave, and we only use that same amount of money to pay for some services for those 65-68 and older.

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there are 34 million people in canada. there are 307 million people in america.

just use your head. comparing the US health care system to canada or other european countries is like comparing apples and oranges.

healthcare isnt black and white, and things arent easy.

you're just not smart enough to get all the nuances you strawman you. now apologize for your shortcomings.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:21 PM
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there are 34 million people in canada. there are 307 million people in america.
Yes, that's why I already agreed with Clip Clop, above.
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