2012 Triple Crown Trail: 11 try to deny I'll Have Another

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Liaison IN - Martin Garcia named to ride - Baffert says he just hated SA surface... per Darren Rogers - Churchill Downs Comm Dept tweet

I like this horse... very happy to hear he's in.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I laughed..



It is a little amusing that the decision seemed to be based on his 1.5 mile jog this morning...

Oh, I doubt the jog had anything to do with it all.

It was decided long ago.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I bet he'll hate CD too.

just saw the news that he's running. whatever.

[Indian Charlie]

I believe it's entirely possible he really did not like Santa Anita, as his races at HP were clearly better.

This begs the question, however, of whether or not he's going to be better on synth/turf than dirt.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I laughed..



It is a little amusing that the decision seemed to be based on his 1.5 mile jog this morning...

That must have been some jog.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't understand this comment. If you dont' like what I stated explain why....at least Calzone and danzig were able to do that. He ran a slower pace in the Bay Shore than his previous races, yeah, that's really crazy stuff there I said...stating fact. That's insane stuff stating fact like that.

What you said makes no sense. You're just taking the opposite side out of boredom which is why I didn't waste anytime on a real response.

[slotdirt]

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What you said makes no sense. You're just taking the opposite side out of boredom which is why I didn't waste anytime on a real response.

Fine. I don't think the horse will run top 15 in the Derby, I can understand someone running a horse in the Derby, what I said made complete sense and that is where you are wrong. The horse ran slower earlier in the Bay Shore than his previous two races. That is simply what happened. Wind or not it was still slower. I am not taking any opposite side. I'm simply justifying why someone is running in the Derby and offered what happened in a previous race as minor justification. Lots of things happen in horse racing that are inexplicable. I'm sure anyone on this board at this time 3 years ago making impassioned justifications for Mine That Bird winning the Derby would have been lauged at and abused to infinity here. And that's all fine. I'm not even doing that. I'm not making claims this horse will win, I'm simply saying it's accpeptable that he's running in the race.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

"Extracorporeal shock wave therapy (ESWT) has become an emerging new technology for treating musculoskeletal problems, soft-tissue injuries and bone injuries in horses. ESWT is non-invasive, used to stimulate healing to return horses to a level of fully sound, useful activity without recurrence of disease.

From outside the body (extracorporeal), the machine generates high-intensity shock or pressure waves, which pulse to a specific site within the injured tissue. Though its actual mode of action is still in dispute, it stimulates and accelerates the healing process, essentially combining an immediate analgesic effect with a reduction in inflammation, neovascularization in soft tissue and osteogenesis in bone. According to Dr. Scott McClure, DVM, Iowa State University, a leading researcher in the field, it can be used to treat various conditions, such as suspensory ligament desmitis, navicular disease, saucer fractures, bucked shins, bowed tendon, sesamoid fractures, stress fractures and vertebral spinal pain (kissing spine lesions)."


http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm.../detail/162182

here's a pretty good summary of what shockwave is, and what it treats.



I just asked one of my bosses about using shockwave on sound race horses.. she said she overheard that it IS being used that way and she's going to try and find out some more information about why and how its used on sound horses. I'm wondering if its used to create better bone density. I'll let you know when I hear more from my boss.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Fine. I don't think the horse will run top 15 in the Derby, I can understand someone running a horse in the Derby, what I said made complete sense and that is where you are wrong. The horse ran slower earlier in the Bay Shore than his previous two races. That is simply what happened. Wind or not it was still slower. I am not taking any opposite side. I'm simply justifying why someone is running in the Derby and offered what happened in a previous race as minor justification. Lots of things happen in horse racing that are inexplicable. I'm sure anyone on this board at this time 3 years ago making impassioned justifications for Mine That Bird winning the Derby would have been lauged at and abused to infinity here. And that's all fine. I'm not even doing that. I'm not making claims this horse will win, I'm simply saying it's accpeptable that he's running in the race.

No one said it was unacceptable they are running. What was discussed is why it's a horrible choice.

Comparing Mine That Bird (who had two turn victories) to a horse who has never gone two turns and yet to go past 7 furlongs is ridiculous. Justifying this horrible decision because the horse ran a slower quarter in his most recent race is borderline insane.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

I got another opinion on why you would use shockwave on sound race horses.. the answer was "blood flow"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

just read about his shockwave therapy on bloodhorse. apparently they treated his lumbar region, that he'd tied up after a work....

[Rudeboyelvis]

Will go to the Peter Pan instead - D Wayne draws in with Optimizer... Per HRTV

[Kasept]

PIM: 5/19/12 - Preakness Stakes (G1)

I'll Have Another (O'Neill)
Bodemeister (Baffert)
Went The Day Well (Motion)
Creative Cause (Harrington)
Liaison (Baffert)
Hansen (Maker) -- Possible
Optimizer (Lukas)
Pretension (Grove)
Brimstone Island (Campbell)
Cozzetti (Romans)
Hierro (Asmussen)
Isn't He Clever (Asmussen) -- Possible
Paynter (Baffert)
Teeth of the Dog (Matz)
Tiger Walk (Correas)
Went the Day Well (Motion)
Zetterholm (R. Dutrow)

[pointman]

You knew Optimizer was a definite regardless of the result yesterday. I am sure he is already a definite for the Belmont. Lukas wants to make that streak DiMaggio proof.

[Indian Charlie]

Odd, no Gemologist.


More evidence that perhaps something went amiss.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Odd, no Gemologist.


More evidence that perhaps something went amiss.

The dreaded "will give him a couple of weeks off at WinStar Farm" pretty much seals the deal.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The Lumber Guy (Hushion)

If this happens -- Mike Maker should just waive a white flag.

The Lumber Guy got a loose lead in the Wood Memorial and turned in a 14 second final 1/8th.

What is it with connections trying to ruin good sprinters in Triple Crown races?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

If this happens -- Mike Maker should just waive a white flag.

The Lumber Guy got a loose lead in the Wood Memorial and turned in a 14 second final 1/8th.

What is it with connections trying to ruin good sprinters in Triple Crown races?

I'd love to see The Lumber Guy at a mile.

TC races make otherwise slamdunk decisions into real headscratchers.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I'd love to see The Lumber Guy at a mile.

TC races make otherwise slamdunk decisions into real headscratchers.

If The Lumber Guy doesn't get early pressure -- his limit is a mile. However, I think his best game is probably 6.5 furlongs.