Lasix enhances performance

cmorioles · #1 05-26-2012, 11:44 AM

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...inarians-view/

"Lasix alkalinizes horses, creating a competitive metabolic advantage similar to milkshaking, rendering the drug Lasix a clear and present doping agent. Human athletic regulators have deemed Lasix a doping agent, and horseracing regulators will eventually have to come to that appropriate conclusion. Lasix has significant potential to alter and enhance racehorse performance."

A vet wrote this.

richard · #2 05-26-2012, 11:55 AM

My late friend had a serious heart problem. He took Lasix. It benefitted his health.

cmorioles · #3 05-26-2012, 12:03 PM

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My late friend had a serious heart problem. He took Lasix. It benefitted his health.

Did he race for money with people betting on him? How is that remotely relevant?

cmorioles · #4 05-26-2012, 01:15 PM

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The California attending veterinarians are at liberty to switch out established race-day Lasix administration for race-day Premarin without the public disclosure of the change. All the while the horse is listed on the program as a Lasix horse race after race, despite differing medication regimens from race to race. This can result in significant variations in the type and dosage of administered medications from race to race, with associated alterations in performance. A horse listed as a Lasix horse may legally receive Premarin instead of Lasix. Next race the horse may receive Lasix, or Lasix plus Premarin, or only Premarin. The betting public is not made aware of these medication switches. Potential performance variations because of medication changes are hidden from the public by the California Horse Racing Board.

Interesting...

Honu · #5 05-26-2012, 01:51 PM

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Interesting...

If you take a horse off of Lasix in California that has been racing on it,you cannot put it back on Lasix for 6 months. That is a fact. That doesnt mean you cannot race a horse on La'Arganine and Premerin which are 2 medicines given at 2 different times, one at 36 hours and the other at 24 hours.
Oh by the way you also gamble on horses that have been given Vetalog shot and DMSO jugs and or had their hocks injected and you dont know about it. They might have been given a pack of Azium to dry up a slight cough at 48 hrs and you wouldnt know about that either. Also could have had the gallop person jump on the horse in the stall prior to being led over to the paddock to "wake" one up, you wouldnt know that either.

cmorioles · #6 05-26-2012, 05:27 PM

I'm sure there is lots of stuff I don't know. It doesn't mean I shouldn't know this, silly argument.

Let me ask you, can you point me to the PPs of a few of these California horses where they are listed as not having Lasix for 6 months?

clambeau · #7 05-26-2012, 06:03 PM

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Did he race for money with people betting on him? How is that remotely relevant?

Both are mammals..Believe it or not, it's more relavant than you think...maybe look the drug up (all of you ) and read about it yourself...might answer a lot of your questions

A Pharmacist (me) wrote this..

Calzone Lord · #8 05-26-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by clambeau

A Pharmacist (me) wrote this..

You're giving Vol Jack a bad name.

cmorioles · #9 05-26-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by clambeau

Both are mammals..Believe it or not, it's more relavant than you think...maybe look the drug up (all of you ) and read about it yourself...might answer a lot of your questions

A Pharmacist (me) wrote this..

I don't have questions about the drug.

clambeau · #10 05-26-2012, 06:25 PM

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I don't have questions about the drug.

Anybody who enters this debate and doesn't know the basic facts on what Lasix is, how it works, dosage regimes, onset & duration of action, half life...all this stuff is available FREE on the internet and it wouldn't hurt anyone ( including me to refresh my knowledge ) or someone totally unfamiliar with this drug or any other drug...to know what we're talking about, first and foremost..

Most people know most drugs are tested on Mice/Rats or other animals before human testing begins....Are we Mice/Rats (no jokes here please)....

Lasix is a very crude, "old fashioned" diuretic that's been around a looooonnngg time and the facts of what it is AND more importantly what it ISN'T are free to anyone with a minimal amount of ambition to look up and learn about it.....then we can talk about it

Please don't take this as an insult....I'm just trying to point anyone interested in the right direction...the CORRECT info is out there and easy to research. Google "lasix" and you're off......

It's really not doing anyone any good if their points of arguments are "something their Uncle Vinnie told them" or something they saw on "House"

cmorioles · #11 05-26-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by clambeau

Anybody who enters this debate and doesn't know the basic facts on what Lasix is, how it works, dosage regimes, onset & duration of action, half life...all this stuff is available FREE on the internet and it wouldn't hurt anyone ( including me to refresh my knowledge ) or someone totally unfamiliar with this drug or any other drug...to know what we're talking about, first and foremost..

Most people know most drugs are tested on Mice/Rats or other animals before human testing begins....Are we Mice/Rats (no jokes here please)....

Lasix is a very crude, "old fashioned" diuretic that's been around a looooonnngg time and the facts of what it is AND more importantly what it ISN'T are free to anyone with a minimal amount of ambition to look up and learn about it.....then we can talk about it

Please don't take this as an insult....I'm just trying to point anyone interested in the right direction...the CORRECT info is out there and easy to research. Google "lasix" and you're off......

It's really not doing anyone any good if their points of arguments are "something their Uncle Vinnie told them" or something they saw on "House"

Dude, we've been down this road many times recently and I've read plenty. My only argument against it is that it is a performance enhancer. I've seen it with my own eyes, now a vet is saying the same exact thing. He isn't the first one either. So, being a performance enhancer forces other horses to use the drug so they are on a level playing field.

clambeau · #12 05-26-2012, 06:44 PM

[quote=cmorioles;863992]Dude, we've been down this road many times recently and I've read plenty. My only argument against it is that it is a performance enhancer. I've seen it with my own eyes, now a vet is saying the same exact thing. He isn't the first one either. So, being a performance enhancer forces other horses to use the drug so they are on a level playing field.[/QUOTe

Define "Performance enhancer"

cmorioles · #13 05-26-2012, 06:46 PM

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Dude, we've been down this road many times recently and I've read plenty. My only argument against it is that it is a performance enhancer. I've seen it with my own eyes, now a vet is saying the same exact thing. He isn't the first one either. So, being a performance enhancer forces other horses to use the drug so they are on a level playing field.[/QUOTe

Define "Performance enhancer"

Read the article.

clambeau · #14 05-26-2012, 06:49 PM

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Read the article.

I want YOU to define what a "performance enhancer" is...please

cmorioles · #15 05-26-2012, 08:12 PM

Easy, gives one using it an advantage over one not using it.

clambeau · #16 05-26-2012, 09:02 PM

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Easy, gives one using it an advantage over one not using it.

Like Horseshoes...or water

Honu · #17 05-26-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm sure there is lots of stuff I don't know. It doesn't mean I shouldn't know this, silly argument.

Let me ask you, can you point me to the PPs of a few of these California horses where they are listed as not having Lasix for 6 months?

If you want to know you do the research....Im just telling you what the rule is and the reason I know was because I asked Dr Blea. The reason for my question is because there is a horse in our barn that was being considered not to run on Lasix.

Indian Charlie · #18 05-26-2012, 09:56 PM

You are doing it again Orioles.

Remember my Zenyatta fan analogy.

clambeau · #19 05-26-2012, 10:07 PM

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You are doing it again Orioles.

Remember my Zenyatta fan analogy.

Ah, the world's expert is here.....There goes the neighborhood

Indian Charlie · #20 05-26-2012, 10:19 PM

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Ah, the world's expert is here.....There goes the neighborhood

This coming from a pharmacist that suffers from over confidence in their knowledge based on having too much education.

You do realize you keep missing the point that Orioles has been making about Lasix, right?

The point being that lasix imparts an edge to racehorses that has nothing to do with stopping bleeding into the lungs.

That was a nice dodge on your part, pointing out that humans and horses are both mammals! Freaking brilliant!!!

I am utterly wowed by your inability to comprehend a very basic concept. Or, maybe comprehend is the wrong term. Perhaps you wanted to show off your 'expertise' here by announcing that you are a pharmacist, and the only way you could do that was by chiming in with a total non sequitur.

Now go look up the meaning of non sequitur with your beloved Google search engine.