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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Thunder +/- for the series:

Harden		47
Fisher		27
Westbrook	26
Ibaka		25
Durant		10
Sefalosha	8
Collison	8
Ivey		-5
Hayward		-5
Aldrich		-5
Mohammed	-7
Perkins		-16
Cook		-18

+/- in the NBA is an extremely flawed stat unless you believe that Fisher has been the 2nd best player on OKC

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

+/- in the NBA is an extremely flawed stat unless you believe that Fisher has been the 2nd best player on OKC

It isn't the best stat for sure, but it isn't as bad as some make it out to be. Over the long haul it is very telling.

For the season, Westbrook led at +368, then Durant and Harden were at +367. It is pretty amazing they would all be so close. Of course, Harden did his in a lot less minutes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It isn't the best stat for sure, but it isn't as bad as some make it out to be. Over the long haul it is very telling.

For the season, Westbrook led at +368, then Durant and Harden were at +367. It is pretty amazing they would all be so close. Of course, Harden did his in a lot less minutes.

It is a flawed stat because it is a team stat used as an individual stat. If you took a very good player who happened to play on a bad team his +/- is always going to be dragged down because the play of the other 4 slugs around him.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is a flawed stat because it is a team stat used as an individual stat. If you took a very good player who happened to play on a bad team his +/- is always going to be dragged down because the play of the other 4 slugs around him.

Do you think I don't know that?

Still, relative to players on the same team it can be very informative. Collision ALWAYS outperforms the team number year in and year out. Do you think that is a fluke?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Do you think I don't know that?

Still, relative to players on the same team it can be very informative. Collision ALWAYS outperforms the team number year in and year out. Do you think that is a fluke?

Nick Young -206 on Washington
Nick Young +19 on Clippers

Deron Williams and Chris Paul have always been rated fairly close as PG's
This year Paul was +328
Williams was -181

Battier was +81 last year and +129 this year. I dont know of a single person who thinks Battier was better this year than he was last year

It is flawed stat as you can be playing terrible and still come out with a positive number.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nick Young -206 on Washington
Nick Young +19 on Clippers

Deron Williams and Chris Paul have always been rated fairly close as PG's
This year Paul was +328
Williams was -181

Battier was +81 last year and +129 this year. I dont know of a single person who thinks Battier was better this year than he was last year

It is flawed stat as you can be playing terrible and still come out with a positive number.

I said when comparing players on the same team it is a useful stat.