Five Hidden Obamacare Taxes that Crush the Middle Class

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

You just can't take it that you can no longer get away with your bullying and lies on this board.

Again, I still don't see where I said Sebelius has control over financing.

Riot: "These [ the financing of the ACA ] are not "hidden", as they were all outlined in detail and discussed publicly when the Affordable Care Act was passed two years ago."

Lil' Sockpuppet: "They were all outlined in detail??? Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass it to find out what was in it. Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense. "

Smacks palm on forehead! Of course! What in the world would your last sentence, about "it", have to do with the subject of your paragraph and what we are discussing - the financing of the ACA!

Why in the WORLD could anyone assume that? It's crazy, I tell you! Crazy!

Really, I can't believe how you survive, with all this bullying and lies. You poor, poor thing!

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a ridiculous statement to make Have you asked all 538 members personally? That their staff didn't read it? Silly.

The bill is shorter than a Harry Potter novel, and much of it is blank pages, and yes, indeed, the payment methods of how the Affordable Care Act was funded was fully covered in the press and in discussion on the House and Senate floor in detail.

The bill pays for itself, by the funding methods outlined within it. Which are not "hidden or secret", but were well-discussed. No secrets there. The bill has already been law for 2 years.

Do none of you realize the association between the Affordable Care Act and Romney's lies about the $716 billion?

They never had a chance to read anyhting, were they inclined. The vote was hurried through and the bill was jammed down our throats like everything this administration has done. Wake up.
While I know nothing of Harry Potter I am going out on a limb and guessing that no children's book is 906 pages. I will post the bill again for you, please go ahead and read it and see where the funding really comes from.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...1hr3590enr.pdf

[Danzig]

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/big...se-in-history/


posted that link in another thread, but figured it should be inserted here as well.


an excerpt:

A Big Increase

There’s no question that the package of taxes and other revenue-raisers (lol nice euphemism for tax) that the law contains constitute a large increase. The most recent estimate from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation puts the total for more than a dozen different tax increases and other “revenue-related provisions” at $675 billion between now and 2022.

And that’s not counting the effect of penalty payments by individuals who refuse to take out health insurance (estimated by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be $54 billion over the same period. The JCT tax estimate also doesn’t count penalties paid by large employers (those with 50 employees or more). CBO estimates they will pay $113 billion during the period, rather than provide insurance coverage for their workers.



and then there's this at the end:

“[i]f both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax (and the scotus evidently considers it so, witness the ruling), the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history,” writes Merrill Matthews, a conservative commenter on the Forbes.com website.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/big...se-in-history/


posted that link in another thread, but figured it should be inserted here as well.


an excerpt:

A Big Increase

There’s no question that the package of taxes and other revenue-raisers (lol nice euphemism for tax) that the law contains constitute a large increase. The most recent estimate from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation puts the total for more than a dozen different tax increases and other “revenue-related provisions” at $675 billion between now and 2022.

And that’s not counting the effect of penalty payments by individuals who refuse to take out health insurance (estimated by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be $54 billion over the same period. The JCT tax estimate also doesn’t count penalties paid by large employers (those with 50 employees or more). CBO estimates they will pay $113 billion during the period, rather than provide insurance coverage for their workers.



and then there's this at the end:

“[i]f both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax (and the scotus evidently considers it so, witness the ruling), the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history,” writes Merrill Matthews, a conservative commenter on the Forbes.com website.

Hence paying for itself... All of that and raping providers (read caregivers, hospitals and Dr.s) of course.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Hence paying for itself... All of that and raping providers (read caregivers, hospitals and Dr.s) of course.

Nonsense.

Medicare Advantage was passed by Bush W. during his "unfunded freebee giveaway of government money" and merely siphoned off healthy patients to the insurance companies. It is extraordinarily expensive and wasteful to the government.

The ACA provisions that reform Medicare Advantage - here is no "rape" of caregivers - that's absurd. It removes waste, fraud, duplication, and takes no benefits from the elderly. It encourages hospitals and doctors to work together and not waste money in treatment, duplication, etc., and it rewards hospitals, doctors and caregivers who save money and waste.

It extends the life of Medicare 8-12 years with the cost savings.

Wow - usually eliminating waste and fraud, lower costs, extending a programs life in the government earns thanks - not unwarranted attacks.

But the hate for this president is so strong, so ugly, that even when he does things conservatives and Republicans have long-supported and wanted, he's crucified for it. Then the right says the left calls him a Messiah. Unbelievable.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense.

Medicare Advantage was passed by Bush W. during his "unfunded freebee giveaway of government money" and merely siphoned off healthy patients to the insurance companies. It is extraordinarily expensive and wasteful to the government.

The ACA provisions that reform Medicare Advantage - here is no "rape" of caregivers - that's absurd. It removes waste, fraud, duplication, and takes no benefits from the elderly. It encourages hospitals and doctors to work together and not waste money in treatment, duplication, etc., and it rewards hospitals, doctors and caregivers who save money and waste.

It extends the life of Medicare 8-12 years with the cost savings.

Wow - usually eliminating waste and fraud, lower costs, extending a programs life in the government earns thanks - not unwarranted attacks.

But the hate for this president is so strong, so ugly, that even when he does things conservatives and Republicans have long-supported and wanted, he's crucified for it. Then the right says the left calls him a Messiah. Unbelievable.

Did you read the bill?

It is only like a Harry Potter novel, certainly you could have finished it by now.
You might have a better understanding of how it all works if you actually read it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Did you read the bill?

Yes. It's been online for over 2 years, and the law for 2. And this particular portion of the bill has dominated media coverage last week, the Sunday morning political shows, newspaper headlines, etc. due to Romney lying about it in 2 ads, and getting caught by the press. Was quite the kerfuffle.

You ever hear of it? Probably not. You probably want "proof" what I just said exists, right?

Please - go familiarize yourself with the news of today: where the National Republican Party platform fully supports removing the right of a woman to have an abortion in the case of rape and incest.

Because you spent multiple posts today arguing that attack on women's rights by the GOP is not happening.