Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-21-2012, 04:48 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,654
Default West & WSJ in separate treatments re: racing's target audience

Does racing know its audience?

But even while they can't be neglected, these potential fans aren't the sport's natural, or indigenous, audience. Because this is a pastoral and cerebral game that requires patience, horse racing's natural audience is an older one, and that's a reality the sport shouldn't evade. The nearly 76 million people born between 1946 and 1964, the so-called Baby Boomers, for example, would seem to be a much more receptive audience for the sport than the Twilight crowd.

In New Jersey, New Gamblers Being Sought

The average age of U.S. horse-racing fans is 51, compared to 43 for football and 35 for basketball, according to a 2011 industry study conducted by the McKinsey consulting firm. About 2% of fans die each year, and only 14% of those following the sport started in the last five years, the study showed.
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-21-2012, 04:59 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,654
Default

Two articles from the last few days to compare and discuss..

Gary West's ESPN piece tried to explain the folly in the game marketing to people too young to participate meaningfully and the breadth of reachable potential players among Baby Boomers. The Journal had a rather poorly written hodge podge Monday about the newest luxury OTB in New Jersey that attempted to touch on the demographics of the wagering facility.

There's a happy medium out there between cultivating 20-30's types and helping them become serious players (and owners) later in life when they have the time and money. There's certainly roadblocks (takeout, etc.) involved that need addressing, but start by at least properly recognizing the marketplace and targeting efforts appropriately...
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans

Last edited by Kasept : 08-21-2012 at 06:50 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-21-2012, 09:48 AM
OldDog's Avatar
OldDog OldDog is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: rancho por el mar
Posts: 3,163
Default

I thought this part of West's article hit the nail:

Quote:
Boomers remember when horse racing had a place on the front page of the sports section and can recall many of the great horses of the last century. When they talk about Secretariat, they're not talking about the movie, but about a glorious moment in sports history. Moreover, the Boomers are retiring. Perhaps introduced to racing years ago, when they had neither the time nor the money to become serious fans, they now have both. Why doesn't horse racing focus its efforts on attracting the Boomers?

At most major sporting events (NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL), the largest cohort in attendance is the over-50 group, according to an article in Sports Business Daily. More than 43 percent of the fans at a typical Major League Baseball game, for example, are over 50. And for good reason: They can afford the tickets. But why does everybody in racing go around wringing his hands when the McKinsey Study says the typical horse racing ran is 51?
Exactly.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-22-2012, 06:13 PM
skippy3481 skippy3481 is offline
Randwyck
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,289
Default

It's a very fine line. The example using other sports is bad one. The average age of attendance at sporting events may be high but that doesn't stop the younger generations from buying jerseys, playing licensed games, and playing fantasy sports. People are still involved... they just don't have the ability, capital or simple desire to see games live.

Horse racing on the other hand will have a problem in 25 years. I'm one of the younger members of derby trail and i have zero friends in my age group that actively follow horse racing. Sure they may tag along for a derby, breeders cup, or a week-end night at a local track... but they really don't care. I've grown up in an era where horse racing gets bumped off of espn for little league baseball.

If horse racing wants to survive after the boomers die, they will need to re-brand the sport. I have zero idea's on what this would entail though. When poker is legal again...and it will be soon.... you'll see a nice drop off from handles.It's built for my generation. You can play multiple tables and get constant action....

Just my two cents for what they are worth
__________________
Inveniemus viam aut faciemus
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-22-2012, 08:29 PM
pweizer's Avatar
pweizer pweizer is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leominster, MA
Posts: 1,599
Default

25 years ago, people said that racing would have a problem now. That song never changes.

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-23-2012, 03:25 AM
pmayjr's Avatar
pmayjr pmayjr is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Canterbury Park- 3rd Floor Clubhouse
Posts: 1,603
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by skippy3481 View Post
It's a very fine line. The example using other sports is bad one. The average age of attendance at sporting events may be high but that doesn't stop the younger generations from buying jerseys, playing licensed games, and playing fantasy sports. People are still involved... they just don't have the ability, capital or simple desire to see games live.

Horse racing on the other hand will have a problem in 25 years. I'm one of the younger members of derby trail and i have zero friends in my age group that actively follow horse racing. Sure they may tag along for a derby, breeders cup, or a week-end night at a local track... but they really don't care. I've grown up in an era where horse racing gets bumped off of espn for little league baseball.

If horse racing wants to survive after the boomers die, they will need to re-brand the sport. I have zero idea's on what this would entail though. When poker is legal again...and it will be soon.... you'll see a nice drop off from handles.It's built for my generation. You can play multiple tables and get constant action....

Just my two cents for what they are worth
This. Us young'ns don't have the patience/attention span to learn to read a racing form. I've only convinced one of my friends, many of whom play poker regularly to learn how to read a past performance.

The people who I'm surprised don't jump into horse betting with great interest are all these Sabermetric/stat geek baseball fans. If they bothered to pickup a drf just imagine how they could break down all the different stats, and prioritize which ones are most important to them.

I get Gary West's argument, but you still need to get the 20/30-somethings to have a genuine interest in the sport. Because I doubt when they're nearing retirement that they'll learn out as a new hobby.
__________________
Facebook- Peter May Jr.
Twitter- @pmayjr
You wouldn't be ballin' if your name was Spauldin'
If y'all fresh to death, then I'm deceased...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-23-2012, 04:33 AM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,776
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pweizer View Post
25 years ago, people said that racing would have a problem now. That song never changes.

Paul
Were they wrong?
__________________
Game Over
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-23-2012, 05:01 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,654
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jms62 View Post
Were they wrong?
About the age demographic of the player/fan base? Yes.. The 'problems' the game faces are not based around how the age of participants. Yet decade after decade it's the first admonishment regarding the sports' future.
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-29-2012, 01:13 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

I'll bet the same thing could have been said of poker before the World Series of Poker was televised and exploded.

In fact, Texas Hold 'Em was not a well known variant of poker outside of Texas and Nevada 20 or 30 years ago.

We need a televised tournament, edited the same way that the format of WSOP was a couple of years ago - setup of strategy, highlights of big scores, odds changes, shots of celebratory and disappointed players. The leaderboard. In my humble opinion there are similarities that can be drawn.

And another key ingredient of the WSOP Main Event fields: distinctive and colorful personalities. Horse racing has had those in abundence forever.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-29-2012, 05:28 PM
richard's Avatar
richard richard is offline
Hollywood Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: cheap seats
Posts: 951
Default

A televised world series of handicapping sounds like a good idea. Maybe around the Breeders Cup next year.
__________________
Tom Cooley photo
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-29-2012, 08:11 PM
GenuineRisk's Avatar
GenuineRisk GenuineRisk is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,986
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
We need a televised tournament, edited the same way that the format of WSOP was a couple of years ago - setup of strategy, highlights of big scores, odds changes, shots of celebratory and disappointed players. The leaderboard. In my humble opinion there are similarities that can be drawn.

And another key ingredient of the WSOP Main Event fields: distinctive and colorful personalities. Horse racing has had those in abundence forever.
I just don't see how it could be made dramatically interesting to watch. Not because handicapping isn't interesting, but because it's internal (most of it happens in the head). Even with poker, in the televised games I've seen, they have a camera so that the audience gets an omniscient view of the game- they see the cards the other players don't, which heightens the viewing interest, because the game just isn't exciting enough without that extra knowledge. Plus, the action actually happens during the game itself- the players change strategy, betting tactics, etc., depending on how the game is unfolding. In handicapping, it's all done before the race starts. Plus, poker players are facing their opponents throughout a single game, while handicappers are staring at a screen for two minutes several times over the course of a contest.

If someone can figure out how to make the actual analyzing the past performances dramatically interesting, as in, the audience is chewing their nails with anxiety over which horse the player is going to select, they'll have a, well if not a million dollar idea, at least a hundred thousand dollar idea. I just can't figure out how the process of handicapping could be presented as exciting to watch, and compelling in its immediacy. Because good TV is all about conflict and excitement in that moment. Not saying it's impossible, but I can't figure out how it could be done.
__________________
Gentlemen! We're burning daylight! Riders up! -Bill Murray
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-29-2012, 10:08 PM
richard's Avatar
richard richard is offline
Hollywood Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: cheap seats
Posts: 951
Default

On a live basis you would have the semi-finals on BC Friday and the World Series Finals on Sat. Do the whole card each day, televise their picks prior to each race within the live television format and post handicapping results and leaderboard.

On a taped basis you could edit a lot of drama into a 1/2 hr or hr show. Show the ML, each horses best Beyer (or whatever speed figs are used) and last race Beyer as the cappers post their picks. Only the audience can see the picks as they are placed. The stretch run of each race could be shown after the audience know the picks and the standings coming into the race and what has to happen to affect the standings. The picks will be revealed to the players as the race starts.
__________________
Tom Cooley photo

Last edited by richard : 08-29-2012 at 10:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-29-2012, 11:16 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

I dont see how a tv handicapping tournament could be anything but awful tv. It would be similar to listening to guys talk about their fantasy football teams. We dont need to try to emulate poker because not only has that ship sailed but as genuine risk points out, it is an entirely different type of action.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.