Another Stimulus-Funded Company Fizzles into Bankruptcy

[Rudeboyelvis]

Were any of these things even remotely vetted before he handed over billions upon billions of our dollars over?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...atrick-brennan

[Riot]

Yes.

Do you know the measured rate of waste and fraud for the stimulus? It was probably the most carefully monitored government dispersal of money in our modern lifetime.

By the way, Bush handed over billions and billions and billions of dollars to the bank with TARP, with zero - ZERO - accountability. That did not happen with the stimulus.

Oh - and we are still missing billions that disappeared in Iraq, too.

I think that's what you really want to be outraged at - not the stimulus, which was very carefully managed.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes.

Do you know the measured rate of waste and fraud for the stimulus? It was probably the most carefully monitored government dispersal of money in our modern lifetime.

That's hilarious.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

That's hilarious.

Nope. Not hilarious. True. Try looking it up. Use google.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nope. Not hilarious. True. Try looking it up. Use google.

What do you suggest? "Obama campaign stimulus spin control"?

Facts are the facts - it has been a nightmare. He borrows money from China to pay for it, they fail, then China buys the debt back for half price. Oh, wait - nope he blocked that too, so now it's a complete loss.

The most unelectable, stuffed shirted, white homophobe in the history of modern politics is now beating him in virtually every swing state in the country.

That's quite an accomplishment.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

What do you suggest? "Obama campaign stimulus spin control"?

No. Try "stimulus.gov" or "stimulus bloomberg forbes" etc.

Facts are the facts

Yes, they are

- it has been a nightmare. He borrows money from China to pay for it, they fail, then China buys the debt back for half price. Oh, wait - nope he blocked that too, so now it's a complete loss.

1) Do you have any idea who owns most of our debt? Hint: China ain't your worry.

2) No, the stimulus was definitely not "a nightmare". That's absurd. The stimulus was a measured success. Fact.

The most unelectable, stuffed shirted, white homophobe in the history of modern politics is now beating him in virtually every swing state in the country.

What imaginary polls are you looking at?

Seriously, Joey - you need a more objective news source for some balance

PS - before your time, but Nixon was the worse racist against ... everybody. Awful, hate-filled man. And Pat Robertson makes Santorum look like a liberal.

[Danzig]

no money should have been used as a form of venture capital-it's an absurdity that the federal govt is taking that role, regardless of what type of company is involved.
that money should have gone into infrastructure, something sadly needed in so many areas. bridges still in use years after their life span, many are given failing grades but are still travelled over. interstates too small, too congested. the wpa and ccc did a lot of good back during the depression, it's a tested and proven remedy.
but no, let's send tons of money to start ups. and we have exactly what to show for it? nothing. but i guarantee some people have money in their pockets because of it-and no doubt were made richer, not rich, by the deal.

[Danzig]

yeah, so i googled 'total stimulus money lost to bankruptcy' and found an article with this list:

List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs & Companies
Update: 7/19/12: The Amonix Solar: FAIL! – manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.

Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012


Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”


Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.



LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012


Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy


Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.



SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.


Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.


Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.



A123 Solar: FAIL! - A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.


UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.



Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.


Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.


Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.

[dellinger63]

And last night the President promised to continue following the path to failure unabated. This is how a man with no business experience conducts business.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes.

Do you know the measured rate of waste and fraud for the stimulus? It was probably the most carefully monitored government dispersal of money in our modern lifetime.

By the way, Bush handed over billions and billions and billions of dollars to the bank with TARP, with zero - ZERO - accountability. That did not happen with the stimulus.
Oh - and we are still missing billions that disappeared in Iraq, too.

I think that's what you really want to be outraged at - not the stimulus, which was very carefully managed.

What was the government's rate of return on TARP? Did the government lose money on TARP? Did the bank's pay interest? Do you know how much interest?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no money should have been used as a form of venture capital-it's an absurdity that the federal govt is taking that role, regardless of what type of company is involved.

Damn ... it's worked well for the past 80 years.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes.

Do you know the measured rate of waste and fraud for the stimulus? It was probably the most carefully monitored government dispersal of money in our modern lifetime.

Please give us the measured rate. Don't make us find it, share your data.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, so i googled 'total stimulus money lost to bankruptcy' and found an article with this list:

List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs & Companies
Update: 7/19/12: The Amonix Solar: FAIL! – manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.

Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012


Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”


Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.



LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012


Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy


Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.



SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.


Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.


Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.



A123 Solar: FAIL! - A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.


UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.



Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.


Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.


Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.

Uncertain how this will apply to the "measured rate" but it reads like a load of cash to me.

[geeker2]

they should all be saved, just like GM

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What was the government's rate of return on TARP? Did the government lose money on TARP? Did the bank's pay interest? Do you know how much interest?

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...is-paying-off/