BCS question

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I was a NCAA athlete.

did you make it to fif year or were you one of those old time 4 year studs?

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

did you make it to fif year or were you one of those old time 4 year studs?

7 year Tommy Boy more like it.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm pulling for the State Penn players this year. they are being punished for crimes of crickety and disgusting old white men which they had less than zero to do with. Let's punish the teenagers at State Penn, that will fix it so says the NCAA (No Credibility At All)!! I'm sure this post will get the howling, braying monkeys out in full force here. I'm gonna go back to cleveland sporty things now. Good bye.

You are 100% correct here. My thing is that nothing Penn St was doing was to gain any kind of competitive advantage. Other schools out there are paying players, giving them cars, employing family members, providing prostitutes, etc., in order to get the players and gain a competitive advantage. To me, those are the kinds of things that the NCAA should be worried about, not criminal offenses involving long since retired, jailed, or dead administrators and coaches. When kids are taking things illegally and you want to punish the school and the kids, fine. At Penn St, the kids that were victimized were already punished.......so let's punish a bunch more people that had nothing at all to do with anything. IF Paterno or any of the other administrators were still there, that would be different. But they aren't.

[Antitrust32]

so the NCAA should not punish a "football above all else including child rape" attitude? Especially when that attitude let a monster run free for a decade? and the rape was occuring on football team grounds?


believe me, I think the punishment was a little much, but there were punishments that were needed, and I'm fine with Joe Pa being stripped of his wins, big fine, scholarships lost...

[King Glorious]

How do you punish an attitude? A school is not a living, breathing thing. It doesn't have an attitude. It's the individuals that are running things that have an attitude and all of them are either dead, in prison, or facing criminal charges. So they are being punished. The NCAA is there to regulate athletics. If there are things going on that are breaking competitive balance rules or things like that, that's where the NCAA steps in. I just don't see where they have jurisdiction in a case like this. I guess I just believe more in punishing those who are actually guilty than those that aren't. I'm all for taking away the wins and I'm ok with a fine too. I'm a little less sure about how I feel about them taking away scholarships and I'm 100% against them banning them from post season play. If those kids that are there now, who had nothing at all to do with any of this, are able to work their asses off and still make it to a bowl game in the face of all of the adversity they are forced to deal with, I say they should be allowed to play.

[Danzig]

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

do you mean child molestation, or programs being treated like they are the main reason a school exists? if you mean the former, it's possible. if it's the latter, sure it happens quite often. the more coaches win, the more leeway they get. and it gets out of hand.
and excessive punishment? i don't think it was excessive.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pointmanscousin

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

The penalty was chiefly for lack of institutional control which of course is another way of saying covering things up. Penn State deserves to be punished, the players were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Is it any less fair that the players on Ohio State that had nothing to do with violations there be heldout of a bowl game?

In the end the players at Penn State arent being penalized, they had an opportunity to transfer without recourse, they still have scholarships, they still are playing football, the better players will still get drafted. That they miss an Outback Bowl or 2 isnt really a hardship.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The penalty was chiefly for lack of institutional control which of course is another way of saying covering things up. Penn State deserves to be punished, the players were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Is it any less fair that the players on Ohio State that had nothing to do with violations there be heldout of a bowl game?

In the end the players at Penn State arent being penalized, they had an opportunity to transfer without recourse, they still have scholarships, they still are playing football, the better players will still get drafted. That they miss an Outback Bowl or 2 isnt really a hardship.

I'm wondering if the schools would just face huge fines instead. You get to go to the Outback Bowl, but you the school will not see the money from the bowl.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

hyperbole. some say the poor kids, yet the kids are still coming there in droves.
i guess any and every ncaa sanction is actually against the kids, not the school? that's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by pointmanscousin

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

you need a new routine.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

I'm wondering if the schools would just face huge fines instead. You get to go to the Outback Bowl, but you the school will not see the money from the bowl.

The amount of free exposure that Bowls provide would offset any fine. The school and many of its highest ranked, highest paid officals overlooked child molestation in the building, on the campus and aided the criminal by allowing him to use Penn State buildings and property where he committed crimes. They were lucky the football program wasnt eliminated let alone be penalized.

There is no promise of the reward of a bowl game given to NCAA athletes. They get a pretty good deal already and these guys were given the option of leaving if they didn't like the sanctions. Life isnt always fair.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

I think they did,too.

In fact,I think Riot,Jr. knew about it.

you need a new routine.


Well no.

Have you noticed your propensity for yakity yak in any and every topic known to NerdyTrail?

It's time to say "I agree" to anything Randy says over in the Padlock.



"Riot,Jr."....it works, don't you think?

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