should we pay for egypt still

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

^^^^ Head in the Sand

Troopers aren't trying to kill little girls for going to school either.

We live in country where our poor are obese.

Being grateful should be a given.

our poor should be grateful?


yeah, you are right. i clearly do not understand....your logic that is. on anything.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Hey steve how much rioting you think will be happening after zimmerman is found not guilty. They are already bracing for it. Reminds me of the book the bonfire of the vanities! Gonna be sad if the race card is used after a jury of his peers (all women) find him not guilty!

of course there will be a reaction if/when he is found not guilty. hopefully it won't get out of hand.
i am amazed at those who think this case, zimmermans actions on that day, have nothing to do with race. zimmerman's suspicion was based on trayvon being black and walking in the area.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

of course there will be a reaction if/when he is found not guilty. hopefully it won't get out of hand.
i am amazed at those who think this case, zimmermans actions on that day, have nothing to do with race. zimmerman's suspicion was based on trayvon being black and walking in the area.

I'm amazed at the fascination with this case. Around 20 people were killed last w/e in Chicago. Almost all were black yet because they were killed by other blacks it doesn't matter? Or is it IL doesn't yet allow cameras in courtrooms?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

our poor should be grateful?


yeah, you are right. i clearly do not understand....your logic that is. on anything.

Yea our poor should be grateful.

How many countries can say heart disease because of obesity is a bigger problem than starvation among their poor?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm amazed at the fascination with this case. Around 20 people were killed last w/e in Chicago. Almost all were black yet because they were killed by other blacks it doesn't matter? Or is it IL doesn't yet allow cameras in courtrooms?

Good read Curtis Silwa is so spot on in his assessment


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...happening.html

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Good read Curtis Silwa is so spot on in his assessment


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...happening.html

Goetz was minding his own business riding a train, Zimmerman was not. Not a big fan of Curtis but do agree with his summation on this one.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by jms62

Good read Curtis Silwa is so spot on in his assessment


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...happening.html

agreed, thank for posting jms

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Good read Curtis Silwa is so spot on in his assessment


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...happening.html

good article, good points made.

i think there's so much attention on this case because it is an encapsulation of things that are still wrong in our society. a guy walking is suspicious because he's black. not because he is acting furtively, because he is peering into windows, stopping and looking around to see if anyone is paying attention to him, he isn't looking into parked vheicles, not carrying a weapon, not acting any way suspiciously. but he is black, that alone is enough to raise the suspicions of the man who then pursues him despite being told not to.
why was zimmerman, who left a place of safety after being told to stay in his car, able to stand his ground (after not staying 'on his ground') but trayvon, concerned he is being followed by a stranger, cannot?
i understand completely why it is news.

[dellinger63]

Amazing how the media has made Zimmerman white despite his Hispanic mother and appearance. Guess Hispanic racist vigilante doesn't serve the media frenzy quite as well as white racist vigilante.

BTW aren't the people who are predicting riots in the street if Zimmerman walks guilty of the same negative black profiling he is?

Or did I miss the media's predictions of violence in the street when OJ walked?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Amazing how the media has made Zimmerman white despite his Hispanic mother and appearance. Guess Hispanic racist vigilante doesn't serve the media frenzy quite as well as white racist vigilante.

BTW aren't the people who are predicting riots in the street if Zimmerman walks guilty of the same negative black profiling he is?

Or did I miss the media's predictions of violence in the street when OJ walked?

it's not a matter of what race zimmerman is, it's the fact that he was suspicious of martin because martin was black.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not a matter of what race zimmerman is, it's the fact that he was suspicious of martin because martin was black.

I'm sure you meant Trayvon and not Martin and think his race is a big deal for 'the story' some news channels are covering 24/7.

I get a feeling they hope for violence sometimes. And they're ignorant and racist in reporting the African American community may riot if Zimmerman walks.

Imagine if the media talked of possible riots and looting by whites in Brentwood if OJ walked, which he did.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm sure you meant Trayvon and not Martin and think his race is a big deal for 'the story' some news channels are covering 24/7.

I get a feeling they hope for violence sometimes. And they're ignorant and racist in reporting the African American community may riot if Zimmerman walks.

Imagine if the media talked of possible riots and looting by whites in Brentwood if OJ walked, which he did.

if i refer to zimmerman, why can't i refer to martin, since it's trayvon's last name? and of course it's a big deal, it's a huge part of the whole story.
trayvon martin is white-the entire incident never happens. and it's not hope. it's a real possibility. the story is about race, it would stand to reason there would be a reaction based on how the story plays out.
it's not 'ignorant and racist'. had there not been an outcry, there wouldn't have been an investigation, a trial. i'm sorry that you think it's all no big deal, because it is one. it indicates that for many, there is still a mindset that a black person is automatically to be suspected. add in that the person who is suspicious seems to be less than normal and well-balanced, and you have a recipe for disaster.
why you think the media shouldn't report on it is beyond me. it's the latest poster child for the still-prevalent racism in this country.

[Danzig]

zimmerman not guilty, and i'm not surprised.

[dellinger63]

And all quiet in the neighborhood sans one police car in Oakland being destroyed which, the media now keeps playing over and over.

To me the mindset that led to profiling and the following of Trayvon is similar to the mindset that leads the media to believe African Americans were going to riot if the jury came back not guilty.

My question is why CNN put a cheating minister, who is waiting for his felon son and felon daughter-in-law to get sentenced, living 1500 miles away from Sanford as some sort of spokesman for the African American community? My Lord couldn't they find someone local with no felonious children, faithful to his wife and with no bastard children to represent the community?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the letter of the law was served..im torn..Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked..so the kid would of got battery jail..ect.dont take skittles to a gun fight..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And all quiet in the neighborhood sans one police car in Oakland being destroyed which, the media now keeps playing over and over.

To me the mindset that led to profiling and the following of Trayvon is similar to the mindset that leads the media to believe African Americans were going to riot if the jury came back not guilty.

My question is why CNN put a cheating minister, who is waiting for his felon son and felon daughter-in-law to get sentenced, living 1500 miles away from Sanford as some sort of spokesman for the African American community? My Lord couldn't they find someone local with no felonious children, faithful to his wife and with no bastard children to represent the community?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And all quiet in the neighborhood sans one police car in Oakland being destroyed which, the media now keeps playing over and over.

To me the mindset that led to profiling and the following of Trayvon is similar to the mindset that leads the media to believe African Americans were going to riot if the jury came back not guilty.

My question is why CNN put a cheating minister, who is waiting for his felon son and felon daughter-in-law to get sentenced, living 1500 miles away from Sanford as some sort of spokesman for the African American community? My Lord couldn't they find someone local with no felonious children, faithful to his wife and with no bastard children to represent the community?

Todays media try to influence events to make news. The verdict was just. The Stand your ground law is ****ed up.
If Derby Trail had a stand your ground law it would be crickets in here. Id be dead a long long time ago.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Todays media try to influence events to make news. The verdict was just. The Stand your ground law is ****ed up.
If Derby Trail had a stand your ground law it would be crickets in here. Id be dead a long long time ago.

I don't think 'stand your ground' proponents accounted for wanna-be cops who after a year working out in a MMA gym still can't throw a punch, on neighborhood patrol.

In a chicken or egg argument did Zimmerman target Trayvon because he was a racist profiling or using statistics? I have no clue as to the racial makeup of criminals in Sanford but in Chicago young black males between 16-30 account for 70% of murder offenders yet they make up under 10% of the population. Sometimes the facts aren't PC. Tragically in Chicago African Americans also account for 75% of murder victims.

That said, Zimmerman should have left the gun at home when on patrol and used his cell to call police. Or better yet, just stayed at home, with his gun protecting himself and family from potential intruders. Much less likely to make a mistake.

The media's continuous race baiting during and now after the trial ignores the fact that what they consider racist America currently has an African American President heading up the country and a African American Attorney General representing the country in legal matters.

BTW Because it was an all-women jury do you think they can/will change their minds? (That was a joke people)

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/richard-cohen-...160000105.html

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/richard-cohen-...160000105.html

That's why I put a disclaimer not knowing the racial makeup of criminals in Sanford FL. But speaking of Chicago, that was mentioned in her story:

Murders are indeed down in Chicago and in fact in the last 20 years have been cut by half from 928 in 1991 to 433 in 2011.
Yet by simply looking inside the stats, trends can be determined and solutions different from the asinine midnight basketball leagues can be formulated.

1) In 1991 of the 928 murders committed, 619 were cleared for a 67% average. In 2011 of the 433 murders committed 128 were cleared for a dismal 29.5% rate. Thus in 1991, 309 murders went unsolved while in 2011, 305 went unsolved.

2) In 1991 76% of murder victims were black, in 2011 75%.


3) In 1991 81% of murder offenders were black, in 2011 70% thanks in large part to the 20% Hispanic contribution. How many were illegal was not included in the study.

4) In 1991 47.5% of murders were committed in the public way and 26% in the residence. In 2011 68.4% were committed in the public way and 13% in the residence.

5)In ’91, 61% of victims had a prior arrest record, ’11 77% had a prior record.

6) In ’91, 70% of offenders had a prior record, in ’11 87% had a record.

7) In ’91 16% of murders were Streetgang or Gang Narco related while 11% were domestic. In ’11 33% were gang related while just 4% were domestic.

So while the author, Elspeth Reeve, correctly applauds the drop in overall murder rates she avoids the facts inside the stats. Oh and Cabrini-Green is now low rise townhomes, some of which were dedicated to section 8 housing are selling at a half million and up. Gang related murders as a ratio have doubled while domestic offenses have decreased by 50%. 87% of offenders have a prior record. Murders on the street are up 20% while those in the residence are down 50%. Police are clearing half of the murders today as they did in 1991.

Despite Chicago being one of the most gun restrictive cities in America, only recently succumbing to the Constitution and allowing handguns (in the home! That’s right folks Chicago outlawed handguns in your own home) it remains among the top on the murder capital leaderboard.

Illinois has a minimum/mandatory sentence on serious gun offenses of two years. The IL Department of Corrections has a one-day off for every good day of behavior policy, effectively making the minimum/max a year. Yet every effort to raise the sentence, even to three years is met with cries of racism from the likes of Jesse Jackson & Co. because as the Rev. says it unfairly targets blacks as they are the ones most often found guilty of the offense. (BTW Kudos to the Rev. on giving credit to Trayvon for paying for his skittles and tea as though the norm for young black youth is to steal them).

We know from the stats 87% of murderers have a prior record. By simply raising the minimum/max to 10 years with a stipulation 85% has to be served how many lives would be saved simply because the culprit is behind bars? The ones that think twice of doing a crime because of the stricter law would be a bonus.

Oh here’s the link to the report. I think it’s available for most major cities.
https://portal.chicagopolice.org/por...ports/MA11.pdf

BTW You do realize the past BS the author Ms. Reeve has been involved with including fact checking a fantasy first person military account written by her husband? Where's Tammy Duckworth when you need her?