the nsa

[Danzig]

bad enough they were spying on all of us-but hey, we're all patriots who have nothing to hide, right? then it comes out that we've been spying on world leaders, too. awesome!
jay carney said we will not and are not spying on folks like merkel...of course have not was missing from that sentence...

but hey:

http://news.msn.com/us/us-considerin...-world-leaders


and i have an amazingly hard time believing that obama knew nothing about any of this. it's incredible how many things come out, but he knew 'nothing'.

but, at least we're 'considering' not spying on our allies any more.

[Rudeboyelvis]

The state-run White House News Agencies wouldn't dare report on it, but there was a surprisingly large rally in DC over the weekend sponsored by StopWatching.us - a coalition of more than 100 public advocacy organizations and companies from across the political spectrum to call attention to the illegal spying by the NSA not only against our own citizens, but the spying on our allies across the globe as well.

https://rally.stopwatching.us/

Almost on cue, on Monday morning Senate intelligence committee chair Dianne Feinstein completely flip flops 180 degrees from being a staunch supporter of the NSA's illegal spying to breaking ranks with Obama and calling for a halt and complete review.

The heat is getting cranked up - this clown doesn't make it out before getting impeached imo.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...opposed-allies

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

bad enough they were spying on all of us-but hey, we're all patriots who have nothing to hide, right? then it comes out that we've been spying on world leaders, too. awesome!
jay carney said we will not and are not spying on folks like merkel...of course have not was missing from that sentence...

but hey:

http://news.msn.com/us/us-considerin...-world-leaders


and i have an amazingly hard time believing that obama knew nothing about any of this. it's incredible how many things come out, but he knew 'nothing'.

but, at least we're 'considering' not spying on our allies any more.

Hey, they're just keeping us safe...never know where the next attack will come from.at least we haven't invaded any countries ..yet....be sure to catch Stewart and Colbert's show last nite..both covered the eavesdropping.

[Cannon Shell]

I guess I was surprised that the leader of a major country would be using a cell phone whose calls weren't encrypted. Either I watch too many spy movies or someone dropped the ball.

Personally I have no issue with NSA spying on people outside of our country, allies or not. Of course you aren't supposed to get caught

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I guess I was surprised that the leader of a major country would be using a cell phone whose calls weren't encrypted. Either I watch too many spy movies or someone dropped the ball.

Personally I have no issue with NSA spying on people outside of our country, allies or not. Of course you aren't supposed to get caught

i am amazed that we are actually listening in on other leaders' calls. i could see trying to get inside info on an enemy...but christ, merkel?

i think we've gone way, way too far.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Hey, they're just keeping us safe...never know where the next attack will come from.at least we haven't invaded any countries ..yet....be sure to catch Stewart and Colbert's show last nite..both covered the eavesdropping.

really...i'll have to check those out this evening if i get the chance. been crazy around here lately, so i'm way behind. took a quick road trip to paducah ky and back mid week last week, still playing catch up. i think last i looked i had 3-4 episodes of each of theirs to see.

[randallscott35]

I think it is terrific. And if they could do it to us, they would be. False tears

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

really...i'll have to check those out this evening if i get the chance. been crazy around here lately, so i'm way behind. took a quick road trip to paducah ky and back mid week last week, still playing catch up. i think last i looked i had 3-4 episodes of each of theirs to see.

My wife was from Hazard and we've been to several towns and cities in KY but never made it to paducah, liked that name

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I think it is terrific. And if they could do it to us, they would be. False tears

agree...and word has it that they are doing it...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

My wife was from Hazard and we've been to several towns and cities in KY but never made it to paducah, liked that name

some argument about where the name came from. one indian tribe said it wasn't theirs...who knows?
but george rogers clark bought the 35k acres that are now paducah from his brothers estate...for $5.

took my son up there for a job, he's on his way this evening to st. paul. lucky, he's going to work for a transport company that moves barges up and down the rivers.
geographical tidbit--paducah is the only place in the world with that many navigable rivers that converge in one area.
we drove over the mississippi, and almost immediately turned 90 degrees and went over the ohio. neat stuff.
got to see where grant came ashore. where that devil forrest raided, etc.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by bigrun

agree...and word has it that they are doing it...

I agree 100%. I think all the big countries are spying on each other. We are probably the best at it but that's no reason to hate us. The main reason other countries are so angry is because they can't spy as good as we can.

[Rudeboyelvis]

The ire isn't directed against the NSA solely because they spy on other countries - as been said this has been going on since spying began. It is more directed toward the completely unrestrained cowboy methodology that the NSA has decided to empower itself with, and the complete lack of accountability by this failed administration to do anything at all about it. In Obama's sworn oath, he pledged to "uphold the Constitution of the United States"... well, so much for that.

From Eschatonblog.com:

"So, for the top national security official in the United States to go to the Senate and lie to their faces and deny that the NSA is doing exactly that which our reporting proved that the NSA was in fact doing is plainly a crime, and of course he should be prosecuted, and would be prosecuted if we lived under anything resembling the rule of law, where everybody is held and treated equally under the law, regardless of position or prestige. Of course, we don’t have that kind of system, which is why no Wall Street executives have been prosecuted, no top-level Bush officials were prosecuted for torture or warrantless eavesdropping, and why James Clapper hasn’t been prosecuted despite telling an overt lie to Congress. And what’s even more amazing, though, Amy*, is that not only has James Clapper not been prosecuted, he hasn’t even lost his job. He’s still the director of national intelligence many months after his lie was revealed, because there is no accountability for the top-level people in Washington.

And the final thing to say about that is, there’s all kinds of American journalists who love to go on television and accuse Edward Snowden of committing all these grave and horrible crimes. They’re so brave when it comes to declaring Edward Snowden to be a criminal and calling for [inaudible]. Not one of them has ever gone on television and said, "James Clapper committed crimes, and he ought to be prosecuted." The question that you just asked journalistically is such an important and obvious one, yet not—none of the David Gregorys or Jeffrey Toobins or all these American journalists who fancy themselves as aggressive, tough reporters, would ever dare utter the idea that James Clapper ought to be arrested or prosecuted for the crimes that he committed, because they’re there to serve those interests and not to challenge or be adversarial to them."


* Comment directed toward Amy Goodman, an award winning journalist from Democracy Now! who's interview with Glen Greenwald can be seen here:

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/...ying_on_allies

[bigrun]

I hacked into the NSA feed and found this...not bad