incognito=creep

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Interesting. Let me just say that I think in this case Incognito is jerk an an exception to what I'm about to write.

I think this is just the beginning of these type of stories. Society has changed in the last 20 years. People used to work out issues at school, in the neighborhood, or at work amongst themselves. People used to deal with their own problems and it worked. Now young adults and children are taught to run as fast as they can to let "adults, teachers, parents, lawyers" whomever fight their battle. People under 35 seldom have had to work out problems by themselves. They have been taught to quit your job, transfer schools, let their parents deal with it etc... instead of working out their problems with each other.

Sadly, this is a trend I see continuing. I will put this in context of work but it could be dealing with issues at school or with coaches etc....
This is why it is hard to find good employees, they have never been told they made the wrong decision or their work isn't up to par. When they are,they are being persecuted or their employer is picking on them. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and in most cases work out issues amongst themselves.

[RockHardTen1985]

I relate to this entire situation, I could write a short story about it. Ill save myself the guaranteed bullshit that would follow.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I get it, but not even 1 other play not 1 has defended Martin, thats not a little odd?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...chie-incognito

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...chie-incognito

I saw this.

[Danzig]

i think discussing this anonymously brings us far closer to the truth of peoples' feelings on the matter.

as for how martin should have handled it. the team management told these players to toughen up martin; martin was to single-handedly handle being bullied, when the bully(s) were acting at the behest of management? that's a laugh.

if the coach wanted martin to be more of a team player, perhaps he should have discussed it with martin, rather than turning him over to a mob.

3kings, i get your point-to a point. but this isn't just a case of a bully and a victim-it's a case of the total culture of that team, it's management, its players. you think martin was supposed to single-handedly take on not just a player who was using racial slurs, and making threats but the people who told him to take that action?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I relate to this entire situation, I could write a short story about it. Ill save myself the guaranteed bullshit that would follow.

Do you see chuck as Richie incognito to your Jonathan Martin? Would Steve be joe philbin turning a blind eye to the locker room antics and hazing that go on here at the derbytrail?

[Cannon Shell]

The elephant in the room is that Martin is a bad player who was in the process of being replaced at left tackle. The whole story is overblown bullshit about a guy who couldnt take failure and is throwing the entire organization under the bus.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Do you see chuck as Richie incognito to your Jonathan Martin? Would Steve be joe philbin turning a blind eye to the locker room antics and hazing that go on here at the derbytrail?

Steve asked me to toughen him up after the Cleveland Cavs would win 55 games post.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Steve asked me to toughen him up after the Cleveland Cavs would win 55 games post.

you need to try harder.

the miami line sucked. it still sucks. whatever there is to say about martin, incognito had no business saying those things in his text.
not sure how telling someone you're going to **** in his mouth, smack his mother, or kill him is going to 'toughen him up'. i'd say the result is what ought to be expected by rational human beings.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The elephant in the room is that Martin is a bad player who was in the process of being replaced at left tackle. The whole story is overblown bullshit about a guy who couldnt take failure and is throwing the entire organization under the bus.

......no kidding, enough of this Bull sh......

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you need to try harder.

the miami line sucked. it still sucks. whatever there is to say about martin, incognito had no business saying those things in his text.
not sure how telling someone you're going to **** in his mouth, smack his mother, or kill him is going to 'toughen him up'. i'd say the result is what ought to be expected by rational human beings.

I dont think that you can read Incognitos one text and understand what kind of relationship that these two idiots had. Sure in a normal setting between normal people it looks bad. However this isnt a normal setting or normal people. Regardless the fact that Martin was looking more and more like a washout has to play a far bigger role in this story than has been reported.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think that you can read Incognitos one text and understand what kind of relationship that these two idiots had. Sure in a normal setting between normal people it looks bad. However this isnt a normal setting or normal people. Regardless the fact that Martin was looking more and more like a washout has to play a far bigger role in this story than has been reported.

i don't care what type relationship they had. that text was reprehensible and i don't know how many good works could wipe it away.
incognito has been a thug for years, i'm surprised it took this long for him to get suspended.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't care what type relationship they had. that text was reprehensible and i don't know how many good works could wipe it away.
incognito has been a thug for years, i'm surprised it took this long for him to get suspended.

You dont care but everything has to be taken into context. So far the only conclusion that should be drawn is that Incognito is an idiot but there was plenty of evidence of that already. Martin is portrayed as a victim but he may be the boy who cried wolf.

[randallscott35]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...saga-overblown

[dellinger63]

People who interpret texts between 300lb behemoths as bullying have never been properly punched in the face.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...saga-overblown

If he had some emotional issues, he should've took that up with somebody upstairs and maybe we wouldn't have this situation right now," McKinnie said. "It could have been a more professional way to handle it instead of walking out on your team, because that's what you did at the end of the day."


so, a team member who was targeted by 'upstairs' should have gone upstairs to fix it.

right.

So, it's akin to reporting rape in the military where the victim's only recourse is to report it through the chain of command and, often enough, the perpretrator is a link in that chain of command.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

So, it's akin to reporting rape in the military where the victim's only recourse is to report it through the chain of command and, often enough, the perpretrator is a link in that chain of command.

damn women, don't belong in the military to begin with.

[Danzig]

so, i heard richie has filed a complaint thru the players union.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

So, it's akin to reporting rape in the military where the victim's only recourse is to report it through the chain of command and, often enough, the perpretrator is a link in that chain of command.

speaking of which...

http://www.upworthy.com/a-marine-was...rthy%29&c=slt1


'Our laws ask the military to do the impossible. It is impossible to expect justice in a legal system run primarily by commanders with no legitimate legal training, who have a vested interest in the outcome of their proceedings, and undeniable favoritisms and bias that are only human nature. But that is how America, unique among our allies, runs military justice. As long as that is the case, predators in the military will feel protected, victims will not come forward, and commanders will follow their natural instincts to disbelieve and crush accusations of their commands’ worst failures.

I was recently invited to speak with some of our nation’s most senior commanders at US Central Command. It was clear to me by their insightful discussion and time spent on the issue, they have good intentions. But it’s unfair to the Commanders that our government asks them to maintain discipline, yet puts them in a position which requires them to defy natural human bias in order to succeed. Indiscipline and injustice result.'