afghan troop deal

[Danzig]

we will apparently be leaving troops over there after next year-for 'training and counterterrorism operations'.

great.

[dellinger63]

I'm sure we will be getting reimbursed as the day's of unfunded wars are over.

[hi_im_god]

i would wait to see what the afghan loya jirga and parliament do with the proposed deal. there is very little sense there of the depth of weariness the american public has with the war and how little regret there would be on this side if it were rejected.

it could easily be rejected by the afghans and american involvement end next year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i would wait to see what the afghan loya jirga and parliament do with the proposed deal. there is very little sense there of the depth of weariness the american public has with the war and how little regret there would be on this side if it were rejected.

it could easily be rejected by the afghans and american involvement end next year.

true, the tribes have to ok it. i'd like to see them reject it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

true, the tribes have to ok it. i'd like to see them reject it.

$96.57 billion appropriated so far for RECONSTRUCTION and yet you gripe about the $1.3 billion paid out to McDonald's workers via social programs despite the fact McD's pays double that in income taxes.


http://theweek.com/article/index/253...in-afghanistan

[joeydb]

Still waiting for us to get off the 38th parallel after 60 years. We don't ever leave, and continue to pay, leaving "tripwire" forces all over the globe. Then we get surprised to get entangled in another quagmire someday.

Tell the South Koreans to defend their own country. After all, they have a lot of money there since the entire American steel industry has basically moved there over the last half decade or so.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Still waiting for us to get off the 38th parallel after 60 years. We don't ever leave, and continue to pay, leaving "tripwire" forces all over the globe. Then we get surprised to get entangled in another quagmire someday.

Tell the South Koreans to defend their own country. After all, they have a lot of money there since the entire American steel industry has basically moved there over the last half decade or so.

you're assuming the pentagon wants out of s. korea, japan, germany, etc? ha! we have to have bases for all these extraneous troops that we pay thru the nose for, and all the equipment, materiel, weaponry, etc. gotta have bases to justify all the defense spending.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Still waiting for us to get off the 38th parallel after 60 years. We don't ever leave, and continue to pay, leaving "tripwire" forces all over the globe. Then we get surprised to get entangled in another quagmire someday.

Tell the South Koreans to defend their own country. After all, they have a lot of money there since the entire American steel industry has basically moved there over the last half decade or so.

Is that where steel went, thought it was China.
Steel,auto, textiles,clothes etc, the industries that made us great...was it the unions or greedy owners?....pisses me off no end when i think of back in PA..we had steel factory and circle W providing jobs for the area..mile long W plant gone long ago..auto parts plant and china dishware plant gone..
and here in VA small community, two textile plants,rubber plant, furniture plant and other small business gone with the wind..

[Danzig]

WASHINGTON — Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai has refused to sign a security deal with the United States, the White House said, and Washington may have to resort to the "zero option" of withdrawing all American troops from the strife-torn country next year, as it did in Iraq.

Karzai told U.S. National Security Advisor Susan Rice in Kabul on Monday that the United States must put an immediate end to military raids on Afghan homes and demonstrate its commitment to peace talks before he would sign a bilateral security pact, Karzai's spokesman said.



afghanistan has been mishandled from the get-gp. karzai is a joke. just pull everyone out, and to hell with those dipshits. taliban will be back in control in no time, and we will have wasted lives, time and money for nothing. which is typical of d.c. and international policy for decades.

[dellinger63]

Just heard death by stoning for adultery has been reinstated by the Taliban.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Just heard death by stoning for adultery has been reinstated by the Taliban.

Now THAT is a death panel.

[Danzig]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-b...b_4407237.html


it's far past time to leave.


the war has dragged on longer than both world wars and the civil war combined, according to the article. when put in that context, rather than just saying 'longest us war ever', it really puts it in perspective.

note in the article how it helped break the ussr financially. i believe it. after all, a quote is that there are three things needed to wage war. money, money, and yet more money.
you know, the same money we don't have for medical care for our own citizens....

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-b...b_4407237.html


it's far past time to leave.


the war has dragged on longer than both world wars and the civil war combined, according to the article. when put in that context, rather than just saying 'longest us war ever', it really puts it in perspective.

note in the article how it helped break the ussr financially. i believe it. after all, a quote is that there are three things needed to wage war. money, money, and yet more money.
you know, the same money we don't have for medical care for our own citizens....

Said a dozen times, in and out of afghan in one year..bomb the terrorist camps, rout the taliban and capture or kill bin laden...the latter was Bush priority and year later priority changed...you know, to Iraq and we are still in afgan...a country no one ever conquered not even Attila the Hun..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Said a dozen times, in and out of afghan in one year..bomb the terrorist camps, rout the taliban and capture or kill bin laden...the latter was Bush priority and year later priority changed...you know, to Iraq and we are still in afgan...a country no one ever conquered not even Attila the Hun..

bushes first mistake regarding afganistan was invading iraq. it took troops, support, money, time and attention away from afganistan. second mistake was staying far too long-but the amount of time we should have spent (and men, money and materiel) is skewed because of mistake number one. had we managed our resources, afganistan would have lasted a few years at most. it also would have served notice to all the petty dictators who didn't take enough note from gulf one.
our foreign policies have been fubar since ww2.