Was Masochistic stiffed in his debut?

[Calzone Lord]

Second-time starter Masochistic shows up in a Maiden Special weight event today, on Derby day.

In his career debut, he was dismissed at 8/1 odds in a Cal Bred MSW race. He was never involved at any stage, and finished 5th.

Interestingly, Masochistic received a comical ride from Omar Berrio that day. He gave him a ride only the Boston Strangler could have admired. I am told he was called into meet with the stewards to explain that ride.

More interestingly, Masochistic tested positive for a tranquilizer. He was disqualified from purse money, and got nothing for his 5th place finish.

Ok, cool. That looks shady.

Now, in career start #2, this Cal bred shows up in a MSW event on the Kentucky Derby day card. He's bet to 2/1 favoritism, and wins by 14 lengths in the sizzling time of 1:08.85 seconds.

Perhaps I'm cynical ... maybe the tranquilizer was an accident and maybe Omar Berrio was stricken with paralysis when he rode him in his debut.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Have a look at Serling's twitter. He was the worst kept secret of the day.

[cmorioles]

For whatever it is worth, we (TimeformUS) had him fastest in the race today off his debut regardless of intent that day.

[Cannon Shell]

Acepromazine isnt what you'd give a horse to stop them in a race. It wears off too fast and is almost always tested for. I have had 1 horse in my career DQ'ed for a bad test and it was for ace.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=7

[Calzone Lord]

Here was the report:

http://www.drf.com/news/purse-redist...itive-sedative

[Port Conway Lane]

Honestly how can that supposed stiff job be distinguished from any other race for a first time starter? The stewards must have lost their you know what that day.

[outofthebox]

Reminds me of the old days when outfits would bring their maidens with no workouts for a score. Or maybe he was trying to show off a faster cal bred than Chrome..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

For whatever it is worth, we (TimeformUS) had him fastest in the race today off his debut regardless of intent that day.

Well ... it wasn't the greatest moment for the Pace Projector...



He only had one horse beaten in the pace projector ... and yet he rolled on a loose lead through a 21 flat opening quarter mile.

Of course, having Berrio strangle the horse into submission, throughout his debut, probably hurt his pace figure.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Well ... it wasn't the greatest moment for the Pace Projector...



He only had one horse beaten in the pace projector ... and yet he rolled on a loose lead through a 21 flat opening quarter mile.

Of course, having Berrio strangle the horse into submission, throughout his debut, probably hurt his pace figure.

Obviously, that is never going to be as reliable for lightly raced horses.

I wasn't trying to say you were wrong or anything, just saying that even given his "trip" first out, he ran faster than anyone else in the field had overall. It said more about his competition today than anything he had done.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Reminds me of the old days when outfits would bring their maidens with no workouts for a score. Or maybe he was trying to show off a faster cal bred than Chrome..

Dennis Manning did it with a maiden a few years ago at GP. Had a few nonsense workouts from a Ocala training center, opened up short, stayed that way and galloped.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Honestly how can that supposed stiff job be distinguished from any other race for a first time starter? The stewards must have lost their you know what that day.

You can go many years without ever seeing an effort that poor by a jockey on a first time starter at a major circuit.

He strangled him early. He had every opportunity to tip out in the clear and make a run, but he buried him inside and did nothing through the stretch.

Maybe Chuck is right, and the bad test for Ace was coincidental.

However, you have to feel for the people who had 8/1 odds on Masochistic in his debut against Cal Breds. They got a 69 Beyer performance from the horse, but the effort of the jockey was worthy of a -0 figure

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It said more about his competition today than anything he had done.

Yeah...that was the eventual flaw in the "putover" -- as Serling called it on Twitter.

The assumption being that a MSW race on the Kentucky Derby card would come up tough.

The race came up so soft, that Masochistic was just 4/1 on the morning line and had the fastest last out fig on everyones numbers. Even his 69 Beyer was fastest last-out.

Had he caught a tough MSW race on Derby Day -- he wouldn't have won by 14 lengths going six furlongs, but he would have been a much better price.

It is amusing to see a maiden race go 1:08.85 and the Kentucky Derby go 2:03.66 ...on the same card.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

You can go many years without ever seeing an effort that poor by a jockey on a first time starter at a major circuit.

He strangled him early. He had every opportunity to tip out in the clear and make a run, but he buried him inside and did nothing through the stretch.

Maybe Chuck is right, and the bad test for Ace was coincidental.

However, you have to feel for the people who had 8/1 odds on Masochistic in his debut against Cal Breds. They got a 69 Beyer performance from the horse, but the effort of the jockey was worthy of a -0 figure

I see this crap weekly in California and nothing is ever done. This bs is far from isolated. The connections certainly didn't try to cloud his ability given his workouts prior to and after his first race.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Second-time starter Masochistic shows up in a Maiden Special weight event today, on Derby day.

In his career debut, he was dismissed at 8/1 odds in a Cal Bred MSW race. He was never involved at any stage, and finished 5th.

Interestingly, Masochistic received a comical ride from Omar Berrio that day. He gave him a ride only the Boston Strangler could have admired. I am told he was called into meet with the stewards to explain that ride.

More interestingly, Masochistic tested positive for a tranquilizer. He was disqualified from purse money, and got nothing for his 5th place finish.

Ok, cool. That looks shady.

Now, in career start #2, this Cal bred shows up in a MSW event on the Kentucky Derby day card. He's bet to 2/1 favoritism, and wins by 14 lengths in the sizzling time of 1:08.85 seconds.

Perhaps I'm cynical ... maybe the tranquilizer was an accident and maybe Omar Berrio was stricken with paralysis when he rode him in his debut.

No, I saw the same thing. I don't think you're being paranoid/cynical. It just doesn't happen often in big circuits so it definitely stuck out.

[Calzone Lord]

The connections of Masochistic really got screwed.

In a typical MSW race on Derby Day for males -- you'd expect seeing plenty of horses, from fancy connections, who've run Beyer's in the high 80's, at least.

A horse with that form is 20/1+ ML if the races comes up as you'd expect it.

They got so brutally unlucky, that they came into it having the top fig, on everyones numbers, off a 5th place finish in an 8 horse field of average Cal Bred maidens.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

They got so brutally unlucky, that they came into it having the top fig, on everyones numbers, off a 5th place finish in an 8 horse field of average Cal Bred maidens.

I honestly didn't know that or never would have brought it up. I just saw he was picked on top by our software so looked a little deeper, seemed odd at the time.

[philcski]

Gotta love the ownership group named Los Pollos Hermanos, by the way.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

Gotta love the ownership group named Los Pollos Hermanos, by the way.

That is awesome!

[JJP]

Gotta love Avila's quote: "wanted Berrio to preserve him to the stretch then ask him."

This is a horse capable of running :21 flat for the opening quarter. Why would you choke off a horse's early speed unless you don't want to win? Does Avila think everyone is brain dead? It was an out and out stiff job, and he knows it.

[Vegaskid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dennis Manning did it with a maiden a few years ago at GP. Had a few nonsense workouts from a Ocala training center, opened up short, stayed that way and galloped.

Peter Miller does this on a weekly basis. He has admitted to it and stated it has paid for his kids future college tuition. Now, when i see him entered in a MCL with a 1st timer I cringe. He will even throw a low % jock on to beef up the price.