My Last Belmont

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Anyone who has ever been to Foxboro can identify.

Without a doubt the worst crowd/parking/access experience I have ever had. Still have no idea how you are supposed to get into the regular lots.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Feel badly for anyone that had a negative experience. I've been through every side of these days in racing attending more than 60 Crown events as a patron, foodservice vendor and media member. I've also been to Daytonas (and most of the stock car tracks), World Series, NCAA's, Stanley Cups, Eagles games (14 year season ticket holder at the Vet). Mostly good experiences. Several bad. A few scary.

I remember post-Smarty Jones being really rough. Got soaked in the teeming rain while stranded in the Blue lot and then the impossible trickle out to Plainfield Ave. Didn't get to Valley Stream (5 miles away) until 11:00 or so. Even on non-TC years, when involved on LIRR, the trains out were hit or miss. Some year better than others.

I think you may have Funny Cide's and Smarty's Belmonts mixed up. It poured rain during and after Funny Cide's- I remember; I watched the race down at the rail, and got so soaked I had to buy a tshirt on the way out so I had something dry to wear on the ride home- but Smarty's had just a smattering of rain about an hour or so before the race and that was it. I also remember hoping it would rain more since he handled wet tracks well. Heh. Ah well.

I just went and looked up rain fall in Elmont for those dates (because I am a nerd who cannot stay away from the Google) and almost an inch fell in 2003 and less than a tenth of an inch in 2004.

For what it's worth, I don't recall the LIRR being bad Funny Cide's year. I imagine the parking lot wasn't any fun in the rain, but that, at least, can't be blamed on anyone but Mother Nature.

[ne to socal]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Without a doubt the worst crowd/parking/access experience I have ever had. Still have no idea how you are supposed to get into the regular lots.

I'm old enough to remember when we used Dad's horseman's pass to get better parking at adjacent Foxboro Raceway and then sat out by the barns waiting for traffic to peter out.

[slotdirt]

2008 was such an unmitigated debacle that it is hard to believe based on firsthamd reports the situation wasn't any better this year.

[Linny]

Recent history indicates that when the TC is on the line the crowd will be around 100,000 and that number ought to be the baseline used in figuring transit, food supply, rest room needs and parking.

Steve, I agree with you with the exception of the first line of your last paragraph. It seems that (aside from the water failure) most of the problems of '08 were back this year. I know it was a different management team but one gets the impression that little or nothing was done differently, "crowdwise."

The crush of people standing on staircases in reserved sections was dangerous, ushers lost all control about 20 minutes before post time.

I understand that the Belmont's post time will never be returning to 5:20 but for many people unfamiliar with Belmont's parking lots, the dark expanse of parking after sundown was daunting. Many of the 100k were non regulars and most were probably not from Hempstead. Feeling stranded, at night, in an unfamiliar part of town seeing traffic snarled for miles, hoping to find a cab or car service going your way could make people ill at ease.

[VOL JACK]

Here's an idea, maybe they should stop selling 100,000+ tickets.
Sell 75-80,00 tops and give the patrons a better experience.
Think of an event like The Masters.

Do you think Augusta National would have any problems selling two to three times the tickets they currently release for The Masters? None at all!! They know how many patrons they can handle while not overcrowding the course and other attendees. It's like the tracks for these big events get so wrapped up in trying to sell as many tickets as possible, while not focusing on simple things that would make for a better experience and make them more money at the end of the day.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Or go to NASCAR and find out how Richmond, Bristol, Charlotte, et al. manage to host 120 - 150K patrons once or twice a year without a fraction of these issues. Their parking lots aren't lit, but they bring in evening road construction lighting to insure safety. They make sure there is plenty of security, and an agreement with local law enforcement + local Dept of Highways to insure managed egress from the facility. Improving access to concessions and bathroom facilities should be a no-brainer. Hire more staff for the day and bring in portable facilities - GP does this for Florida Derby day - They have trailers which are not porta-johns, but actual bathroom facilities with sinks and fans and whatnot.

You can't teach common sense.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Linny

Recent history indicates that when the TC is on the line the crowd will be around 100,000 and that number ought to be the baseline used in figuring transit, food supply, rest room needs and parking.

That's what has me scratching my head- attendance for a Belmont Stakes in a TC year has been pretty consistent over the past couple of decades- it was just under 100,000 in the 1990s and has hovered just over 100,000 in the aughts and now the teens (I know Smarty's was reportedly 120,000, but I've also read articles questioning that number). They can make a pretty good guess as to how many will show up if there's a TC on the line; they have the data.

If 120,000 had shown up Saturday, I could understand them being understaffed, but the numbers were right in line with War Emblem, Funny Cide and Big Brown.

[asudevil]

We are in a new era of sports/entertainment venues. Folks have a much different expectation as opposed to 30 years ago. Especially in the NY metro area with new venues in Newark, East Rutherford, The Bronx, Flushing, and a 1 Billion dollar refurb at MSG. Granted these places have many more events, but again, the expectation and perception is vastly different. And the "people have to understand that it only happens every few years," excuse does not fly anymore.

[infield_line]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Or go to NASCAR and find out how Richmond, Bristol, Charlotte, et al. manage to host 120 - 150K patrons once or twice a year without a fraction of these issues. Their parking lots aren't lit, but they bring in evening road construction lighting to insure safety. They make sure there is plenty of security, and an agreement with local law enforcement + local Dept of Highways to insure managed egress from the facility. Improving access to concessions and bathroom facilities should be a no-brainer. Hire more staff for the day and bring in portable facilities - GP does this for Florida Derby day - They have trailers which are not porta-johns, but actual bathroom facilities with sinks and fans and whatnot.

You can't teach common sense.

NYRA is beyond lucky that there were no incidents of robbery, or worse, in unlit parking lots with virtually no staff to help manage the exit of that many cars.... they would have been sued to death and it's really unacceptable. Thousands were put in jeopardy and I am personally amazed that it did not get exceedingly ugly

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Or go to NASCAR and find out how Richmond, Bristol, Charlotte, et al. manage to host 120 - 150K patrons once or twice a year without a fraction of these issues. Their parking lots aren't lit, but they bring in evening road construction lighting to insure safety. They make sure there is plenty of security, and an agreement with local law enforcement + local Dept of Highways to insure managed egress from the facility. Improving access to concessions and bathroom facilities should be a no-brainer. Hire more staff for the day and bring in portable facilities - GP does this for Florida Derby day - They have trailers which are not porta-johns, but actual bathroom facilities with sinks and fans and whatnot.

You can't teach common sense.

There are plenty of issues leaving NASCAR races (Kentucky from a couple years ago comes to mind). But people also camp out and drink more beer after the typical NASCAR race, so there's that.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

There are plenty of issues leaving NASCAR races (Kentucky from a couple years ago comes to mind). But people also camp out and drink more beer after the typical NASCAR race, so there's that.

Relative to the abject Clusterfuc1< that is the Belmont Stakes each time there's a triple crown on the line, I'd say they'd gleefully take an average NASCAR weekend's experience and call it a complete success.

How does the Ontario Motor Speedway manages to contract Metrolink to increase service back to LA after a race (40 some miles east) without a hitch, yet Belmont and LIRR seem to never, ever get close to even talking to each other? It goes on every single time they get a TC crowd. It matters not who is in charge. It's sad, as I probably have the means to attend the Belmont stakes, but I'll gladly sit here in sweltering FL and watch it. I've been stuck at Aqueduct with no way to get back to JFK after the races - which may well be the norm (not their problem - I get it) but I have zero confidence that NYRA has a friggin' clue how to address and correct this mess on a grand scale.


Not their problem, I guess