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Old 07-29-2014, 05:43 PM
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Per Ray Paulick's Twitter: Rick Dutrow's Federal Lawsuit against NYRA, State Wagering Board, & Racing Commissioners Intl was just dismissed by judge.

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Old 07-29-2014, 07:58 PM
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Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:19 PM
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Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?
JMS is a shady owner?
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:27 PM
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JMS is a shady owner?
The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.
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Old 07-30-2014, 09:58 AM
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The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.
For all the negative Dutrow talk, lets be fair: His horses rarely broke down or died, they raced well or they were laid up and brought back and nobody denies he is a great horseman. Knowing were to inject and why is different then just hooping up a horse on a drug that is not traceable etc. Much of Dutrow's success was a product of him knowing what others did not or missed. NOT just chemicals.
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:39 AM
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Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?
no, just bet them because you cant change the game..
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:07 AM
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For all the negative Dutrow talk, lets be fair: His horses rarely broke down or died, they raced well or they were laid up and brought back and nobody denies he is a great horseman. Knowing were to inject and why is different then just hooping up a horse on a drug that is not traceable etc. Much of Dutrow's success was a product of him knowing what others did not or missed. NOT just chemicals.
If Dutrow was the savant that his defenders would have you believe, then you would have to think that the barn, without his special skills around, would see the win percentage drop off precipitously. That assistants like Juan Rodriguez, Cleveland Johnson (discussed elsewhere in this thread) and Michelle Nevin, in his supposed absence, have win percentages even more gaudy than Dutrow seems to cast doubt on those claims.
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:09 AM
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no, just bet them because you cant change the game..
...but what about when you have to run against them? You can't just scratch every time they show up in a race in which one of your horses is scheduled to compete.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:35 PM
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