Santa Anita President's Day Carry Thread - Page 2

tiggerv · #21 02-18-2008, 12:32 AM

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9th is a dousy..The 12 is a HUGE play on the thorographs....

Yeah I am looking at him. Both FTS are supposedly live too which makes it all that much harder.

TitanSooner · #22 02-18-2008, 12:41 AM

will the 3 be lone speed in race 7 scav?

Scav · #23 02-18-2008, 12:41 AM

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Yeah I am looking at him. Both FTS are supposedly live too which makes it all that much harder.

It is very hard for me to bet firsters without Lasix, I need them to prove to me that they are ok without it, and Drysdale almost never debuts them with it from what I can tell.

I don't see Mitchell's horse getting 9f's, although he is sure training the horse to run a route IMO

Scav · #24 02-18-2008, 12:44 AM

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will the 3 be lone speed in race 7 scav?

7 and 10 might go with her and there is absolutely no way that Cedeno is going to win two races in a row, let alone two races in a day. The planets only align like that once every about 150,114 years. I like him alot more in the race before then there.

Plus, you have to think that a firster might get involved somewhere in there at the start.

tiggerv · #25 02-18-2008, 12:46 AM

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7 and 10 might go with her and there is absolutely no way that Cedeno is going to win two races in a row, let alone two races in a day. The planets only align like that once every about 150,114 years. I like him alot more in the race before then there.

Plus, you have to think that a firster might get involved somewhere in there at the start.

If it wasn't for the connections on that 3, I would probably single that horse and cross my fingers.

TitanSooner · #26 02-18-2008, 12:46 AM

cool.. I'm looking at the o'neill firster a bit.

Scav · #27 02-18-2008, 12:48 AM

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If it wasn't for the connections on that 3, I would probably single that horse and cross my fingers.

I am about to watch the replays from the last two days, but what has speed done recently?

it seems like since they messed with the track, it was middle of the track closers.....

tiggerv · #28 02-18-2008, 12:51 AM

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I am about to watch the replays from the last two days, but what has speed done recently?

it seems like since they messed with the track, it was middle of the track closers.....

Playing about as fair as I have seen. Three W2W winners today but they all had easy leads. 2 winners came from out of the clouds.

docicu3 · #29 02-18-2008, 12:55 AM

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Doc, don't over think that race, it is as easy as 1 and 5, i wouldn't be surprised to see three of these horses not finish the race

Your probably right Scavs I just needed to go through the possibilities and see if there is any strong feeling among you for my "B" and "C" types....

If there was a little more time since the last #3 CLASSY ATTRACTIONwould be a single for me here. Who knows I go back and forth about singling here....if not then...

With only 8 days rest I will be backing up with outside late runners #12 True Suggestion and #10 Colony Trick
The former is very close to breaking through and the latter has a nice 2nd off layoff ROI 4.24 that I can see comming late wide which hasn't been a bad thought at 6.5F.

The last must use for me is Peter Miller's Harlan Holiday offspring #11 Devils Martini. P Miller is dangerous in spots such as these. It is costly but I'll include him here with Flores.

tiggerv · #30 02-18-2008, 01:02 AM

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Your probably right Scavs I just needed to go through the possibilities and see if there is any strong feeling among you for my "B" and "C" types....

If there was a little more time since the last #3 CLASSY ATTRACTIONwould be a single for me here. Who knows I go back and forth about singling here....if not then...

With only 8 days rest I will be backing up with outside late runners #12 True Suggestion and #10 Colony Trick
The former is very close to breaking through and the latter has a nice 2nd off layoff ROI 4.24 that I can see comming late wide which hasn't been a bad thought at 6.5F.

The last must use for me is Peter Miller's Harlan Holiday offspring #11 Devils Martini. P Miller is dangerous in spots such as these. It is costly but I'll include him here with Flores.

Exactly the same 4 I have.

Scav · #31 02-18-2008, 01:06 AM

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Exactly the same 4 I have.

When have you ever seen Solis ride for Fanning first out?

Solis has been winning lately, maybe took a Viagra or something

tiggerv · #32 02-18-2008, 01:09 AM

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When have you ever seen Solis ride for Fanning first out?

Solis has been winning lately, maybe took a Viagra or something

The strangest combination is Chantal for Frankel.

Scav · #33 02-18-2008, 01:18 AM

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The strangest combination is Chantal for Frankel.

Where?

docicu3 · #34 02-18-2008, 01:56 AM

At least it's not a damn turf sprint.....

I am intrigued by #1 Kris Sis and the trainer switch to Baltas who is making a name for early trainer synthetic moves. Kris has trained well and wasn't far from Mamba' last time.

#6 Tric's Pic and #7 Black Mamba are the obvious ones though not by so much that the race is a two horse race.# 5 Alexander Rose looked sharp winning a downhill but I am not impressed with her mile efforts #8 Live Life is going to try and steal this as only speed and may be worth including. I refuse to watch Costume burn more of my money as I don't believe he has the heart to challenge these for the win.

SCUDSBROTHER · #35 02-18-2008, 02:01 AM

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You notice how Scuds scurried away because I asked him to explain his insaneness with #4 Gula Gold? He must have been smokin his Rosario peace pipe

LOL,I was answering PGRDNS ASS-KISSING of the Moslems that like to stone women to death with chunks of concrete.God forbide the guy just simply call evil what it is.

I will try to get rid of both the 3 and 4 in the 5th race.The 4 looks like it closes well enough to be a threat.I think your overestimating some of the others.Who has been all that impressive in here? I am not saying the 4 is incredible,but are you saying someone else is that much better,or are you simply expecting them to improve because the 2 big jocks etc. are riding?

Scav · #36 02-18-2008, 02:07 AM

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LOL,I was answering PGRDNS ASS-KISSING of the Moslems that like to stone women to death with chunks of concrete.God forbide the guy just simply call evil what it is.

I will try to get rid of both the 3 and 4 in the 5th race.The 4 looks like it closes well enough to be a threat.I think your overestimating some of the others.Who has been all that impressive in here? I am not saying the 4 is incredible,but are you saying someone else is that much better,or are you simply expecting them to improve because the 2 big jocks etc. are riding?

I don't like the 5, not a fan of that Mandella, and I agree with you about the 5, he would be my fourth horse in the race.

I like Drysdale with that type of horse situation, and Raffie aboard is a big deal to me there, and Cecil is no joke off the layoff.

I get the feeling that Valdivia is going to get hot soon. He is too good of a rider to not get hot again, like he was when he was riding every winner Ellis was sending out about 6 months ago......

pick4 · #37 02-18-2008, 02:41 AM

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Someone help me out on the feature race. I think Black Mamba is a standout but I am not sure I am looking at it objectively because I mistakenly keep betting this horse against the Citronades and Nashoba's Keys of the world and keep getting burned. I don't like Trick's Pic at all and don't think the G3 she won was all that strong. The barn change and layoff of Kris' Sis has me thinking of passing on her. The only other one I even kind of like is Costume.

I think the horse you have to fear most is Alexandra Rose. Team Valor usually mean business when they import a horse and she did win a Group 2 in SAf. Drysdale has this horse as fit as can be looking at the way he's been working her with his long works.

pick4 · #38 02-18-2008, 02:45 AM

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Okay with the holiday perhaps we can put the time to good use with our own efforts on this one......Let's get the banter started!!

Race 5 Turf Mile 62.5 Alw NW2 (ladies first)

#5 Siamese Cat Rock of Gibraltar turf monster (Hooves special)

Is this a single or do you have to throw in #11 Silver Moonshine whom Carla Gaines has firing fairly well.

Other thoughts in the 5th??

Silvermoonshine is breaking from post 11 if there are no scratches. It took her nine races to break her maiden. I think she's a past factor only. I think the horse you mentioned and Ainamma breaking from the rail are the horse you would want on your tickets.

docicu3 · #39 02-18-2008, 02:46 AM

This one seems to have 6-8 potential possibilities however I am going to stay with two fundamentals of MSW races. 1) Don't ask a horse to do something in a competitive route race if the horse hasn't previously excelled at going two turns.

Thus....

#2 Tiz now and then and hopefully tomorrow. Nice pair up asking for a forward move
#3 Medjool Didn't embarass self in Yankee Bravo's coming out party and may find these easier to handle
#12 Pearl Fisher Strong 2nd off layoff ROI $9.09 after nice effort last time

A strong case can be made for #6 Street Royale but on less than 3 weeks rest may not be enough.

I reserve the right to throw in 1 firster who who would be #11 Thrust
who has 1) Gomez 2) Drysdale as a 1ster 3) AP Indy and 4) a very impressive work pattern topped off by 7F bullet a week ago.

pick4 · #40 02-18-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

This one seems to have 6-8 potential possibilities however I am going to stay with two fundamentals of MSW races. 1) Don't ask a horse to do something in a competitive route race if the horse hasn't previously excelled at going two turns.

Thus....

#2 Tiz now and then and hopefully tomorrow. Nice pair up asking for a forward move
#3 Medjool Didn't embarass self in Yankee Bravo's coming out party and may find these easier to handle
#12 Pearl Fisher Strong 2nd off layoff ROI $9.09 after nice effort last time

A strong case can be made for #6 Street Royale but on less than 3 weeks rest may not be enough.

I reserve the right to throw in 1 firster who who would be #11 Thrust
who has 1) Gomez 2) Drysdale as a 1ster 3) AP Indy and 4) a very impressive work pattern topped off by 7F bullet a week ago.

You're right about this one being a skullbuster. I think Street Royale is a toss because he finished 7th and was only 1 1/2 lengths behind the winner. Only one horse came back to run (6th Cloudbreaker) and he ran 7th losing by 8 1/2 as the lukewarm 3to1 favorite in a Calbred MSW race on 2/11.

Off first glance and I will study the race in more detail in the morning I like 2 Tiz Now and Then.