A Reason to Root...

[stareagle]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Give quietly if you really are interesting in helping. You don't have to turn tragedies into public relations events. If the beneficiary wants to make it public ok, but going to the press and saying you will give part of the horses winning to somebody is really nothing more than a way of trying to get the public to root for your horse.

I get what you are saying, but what if getting involved in a public manner can help raise more money? Look at how much the Afleet Alex's connection helped raise for the Lemonade Stands.

I agree that IEAH is doing this for the publicity, but if that helps raise money for a good cause, it might be a win-win.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by stareagle

I get what you are saying, but what if getting involved in a public manner can help raise more money? Look at how much the Afleet Alex's connection helped raise for the Lemonade Stands.

I agree that IEAH is doing this for the publicity, but if that helps raise money for a good cause, it might be a win-win.

I have no problem with that, especially with issues like cancer.

I get very irritated though when guys like IEAH or Jayeff B Stable's Richard Santulli get involved with giving money to things that the government is responsible for. The government is responsible for taking care of a policeman's family. When wealthy guys do things for pr reasons it makes it look like this is not the responsibility of government.

I like Richard Santulli. What he did with the Intrepid Fallen Heroes rehab center for soldiers in TX was nice, but these guys do these things for pr reasons and they want to make it like it is not the government's job to take care of injured soldiers.

It is nice Santulli got to pat himself on the back for helping raise $40 million for a rehab center, and his buddy Don Imus patted himself on the back every chance he got, but what they actually do by raising this type of money is let the government off the hook. They are well aware of this too. They seem to want to send this message that government money shouldn't be used to build rehab centers. They know what they are doing hurts the troops in the long run and they don't seem to care if that conflicts with the pr they are looking for.

[IrishofNDMan]

I don't give two sh1ts if they keep it quiet or not, the money is for a great cause regardless and is awesome in my book no matter what the circumstance. Maybe I'm a little bias seeing as how both of my bro-in-laws are police officers.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

[Round Pen]

You got to be kiddin Me Quiet Chris you really think that someone is going to see that IEAH's guys donated money to the family of a serious injured officer they are going to think the Goverment is not taking care of them. Give me a friggin Break.

Thats what gets my goat with all the negative publicity that this great sport has been recieving (which I have been involved in for 25 years) Someone steps up to the plate and you immedietely determine that this is a PR stunt and they should keep there mouth shut if they went to donate their money.

it is a shame this story is not in more papers accross the country. this great sport of ours needs all the positive press we can get.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by philcski

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

so A One Rocket went on to win the race? Read the story but am still a little confused.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

so A One Rocket went on to win the race? Read the story but am still a little confused.

Yes, he won for fun... and as most of the betting world could figure, he was found to be 'milkshaked'.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by philcski

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

The hospital they are building is a for-profit hospital.

And I don't forgive people that make their money in chop shops screwing the average guy usually out of retirement money because they contribute some money to a charity.

Bad people give money and make it public because they want people to think they are good. Just ask Michael Milken. Don't like Milken than use the former Curlin owners. IEAH is just doing the same thing.

"There are many bizarre aspects of the story behind the three Fen Phen lawyers on criminal trial for alleging bilking their clients out of $65 million of settlement money. The most well-reported oddity is that two of the lawyers used settlement funds to invest in the race horse, Curlin. But how about their decision to donate $20 million of the $200 million settlement to a charitable fund — called the Kentucky Fund For Healthy Living"

[Sightseek]

I got a present for you all

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[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I got a present for you all

http://www.horsehats.com/Images/Hats...ShirtLarge.gif

dear God....

[Sightseek]

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by philcski

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

I think people need to watch the movie Boiler Room to find out the kind of "Wall Street" career these scumbags have had.


While the idea of a hospital is nice....Iavarone on tv said they are in it to make profits. I figured this dirtbag was in it for the money.

That being said the thing with the cop is very cool and I was shocked when I saw that IEAH was behind it.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I got a present for you all

http://www.horsehats.com/Images/Hats...ShirtLarge.gif

Freddy..you making these?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Freddy..you making these?

I am making something for Modell's sporting goods.. We are trying to get the concept approved..I think I will convinced Mitchell Modell to donate a lot of the profit to the Cop's charity as well.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am making something for Modell's sporting goods.. We are trying to get the concept approved..I think I will convinced Mitchell Modell to donate a lot of the profit to the Cop's charity as well.

cool..good luck

[philcski]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I think people need to watch the movie Boiler Room to find out the kind of "Wall Street" career these scumbags have had.


While the idea of a hospital is nice....Iavarone on tv said they are in it to make profits. I figured this dirtbag was in it for the money.

That being said the thing with the cop is very cool and I was shocked when I saw that IEAH was behind it.

Exactly the picture that should be painted.


The hospital, I'm questionable on how profitable this venture will actually be. Doesn't seem like a huge moneymaker to me, I could be completely wrong- but someone had to put up the startup money and take the risk, if it saves a couple horses that would have otherwise been euthanized my hats off to them.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by philcski

Exactly the picture that should be painted.


The hospital, I'm questionable on how profitable this venture will actually be. Doesn't seem like a huge moneymaker to me, I could be completely wrong- but someone had to put up the startup money and take the risk, if it saves a couple horses that would have otherwise been euthanized my hats off to them.

It's funny how the media does such little research on these guys and just calls them investment bankers. These guys are not investment bankers. Far from it. Any moron with a pulse rate....a good grip on the english language...and the ability to lie their a##'s off and f#ck people outta money without having any regrets can get a "Wall Street" job like these clowns did.

[IrishofNDMan]

At the time I thought this was great that they were going to give a percentage of Big Browns winnings to this hurt officer, but after the last place finish it doesn't seem so nice.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

At the time I thought this was great that they were going to give a percentage of Big Browns winnings to this hurt officer, but after the last place finish it doesn't seem so nice.

That's a little unfair.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's a little unfair.

it is a little unfair, but what percentage of the last place finish is this guy getting? Shouldn't they still do something and fork over a little money, I'm sure they can afford it. Who knows, maybe they will but I doubt it.