3-yr-old Eclipse Award prop at Pinnacle

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by boldruler

This is an odd bet. Basically they are giving you even money on Bernardini in the Travers because a Travers win will make him 3yr old of the year. There is no way the limit ever goes up. Nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds.

yep, just like it did last year for flower alley..

[JJP]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

Might be the dumbest quote of the year.

[Danzig]

lol
jjp, you evidently haven't read much 'bold'. you'd be used to it by now.

[hockey2315]

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

Hey bigmouth, no need to do any copying, we are going to Chicago, just not staying overnight on Saturday. If our race doesn't fill next friday at monmouth we will be there friday. If it does, we will get there saturday.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Hey bigmouth, no need to do any copying, we are going to Chicago, just not staying overnight on Saturday. If our race doesn't fill next friday at monmouth we will be there friday. If it does, we will get there saturday.

I thought you said you weren't going?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

Hockey, sorry for the bickering part, fact is that I am sick of this guy. You might be on to something with the above

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

Showing Up has nothing to really do with it. He is an exceptional grass horse but just an ok dirt horse. What might have something to do with it is the success of George Washington in the BC Mile. The Jacksons could get the breeders of the year, which would make the voters feel like they gave them something for Barbaro. Bernardini is likely the 3yr old of the year if he wins the Travers simply because most voters think he is a better horse, which he might just be.

[Danzig]

flower alley ran second in the bcc and won the travers, alex still got the vote.
now, of course bernardini won a classic, that's in his favor. but i feel he would have to win out the year to get 3 yo honors. second in the bcc wasn't enough in years past, it won't be this year either.

look at war emblem for instance....he won once after the preakness, was abysmal in the bcc, still got the eclipse. came home beat older, mdo finished second in the bcc--fat lot of good it did either of them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Bernardini is likely the 3yr old of the year if he wins the Travers simply because most voters think he is a better horse, which he might just be.

they do??? you already know what most voters think? lol

yeah, SURE.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

they do??? you already know what most voters think? lol

yeah, SURE.

That's what I was wondering...you have been in touch with most of the voters personally and they have told you that is what they think??

[Danzig]

long way from now til november...and then til voting occurs....time enough for voters that have spoken with ruler to change their mind.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought you said you weren't going?

cajun, many people believe that if you always tell the truth, there's nothing to keep track of, nothing you have to remember saying or not saying.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought you said you weren't going?

We weren't going because there is a sale on the same day at Saratoga, but I have nothing to do with it and my friends brother says he rather go to Chicago because he has nothing to do with it either. He isn't as friendly with the owners as his brother but his dad is probably going to come too to see a friend of theirs from Lake Forest. He is a student at Hofstra but he really isn't a horse business guy like his brother, but he likes to gamble and he basically lives at Belmont in the morning. He is trying to start his own sheet, with picks, although the three he gave me today didn't do so well.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

flower alley ran second in the bcc and won the travers, alex still got the vote.
now, of course bernardini won a classic, that's in his favor. but i feel he would have to win out the year to get 3 yo honors. second in the bcc wasn't enough in years past, it won't be this year either.

look at war emblem for instance....he won once after the preakness, was abysmal in the bcc, still got the eclipse. came home beat older, mdo finished second in the bcc--fat lot of good it did either of them.

I don't buy the comparisons, Danzig. Flower Alley did not win a TC race, and ran unimpressively in the Derby. That's very different from a Bernardini who won a TC race by major daylight and is undefeated.

I was no War Emblem fan, but he did win 2 TC races, and had an excuse in the Belmont after falling on his nose at the start. Came Home was also poor in the BCC, if I remember correctly. I think MDO just didn't win enough races, but I'd have to go back to check on that.

IMO, if Bernardini wins everything up to the BCC, he does not have to win the BCC to get the 3-yr-old Eclipse. In fact, if I believed otherwise, I'd be all over the Barbaro side of that Pinnacle bet. The chance of Bernardini winning out from here is much much less than even money.

--Dunbar

Originally Posted by GPK

That's what I was wondering...you have been in touch with most of the voters personally and they have told you that is what they think??

There is a thing called the NTRA poll. Bernardini is 3rd, Barbaro 8th. That poll is basically an indicator of how the Eclipse awards go.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I don't buy the comparisons, Danzig. Flower Alley did not win a TC race, and ran unimpressively in the Derby. That's very different from a Bernardini who won a TC race by major daylight and is undefeated.

I was no War Emblem fan, but he did win 2 TC races, and had an excuse in the Belmont after falling on his nose at the start. Came Home was also poor in the BCC, if I remember correctly. I think MDO just didn't win enough races, but I'd have to go back to check on that.

IMO, if Bernardini wins everything up to the BCC, he does not have to win the BCC to get the 3-yr-old Eclipse. In fact, if I believed otherwise, I'd be all over the Barbaro side of that Pinnacle bet. The chance of Bernardini winning out from here is much much less than even money.

--Dunbar

Some think that if Santos doesn't put a crap ride on Flower Alley in the Derby he wins for fun. He went rushing up behind Spanish Chesnut, pretty stupid

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by GPK

my limit is $200 on that bet Dunbar

Wow, I've never heard of a limit that low there. I thought mine was low. btw, mine is a weird number that even includes cents; something like $274.61. This is my starting value for all their matchups. It only goes up when after they have had some action. My initial bet (of something like $274!) will move the line by as much as 8-10 cents.

Thanks for the info. I'm curious what the range of limits is--I've only looked into it a little, and I thought my max was way down on the low end. If you think about it, check on your own limit on this bet and post when it changes.

--Dunbar

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Wow, I've never heard of a limit that low there. I thought mine was low. btw, mine is a weird number that even includes cents; something like $274.61. This is my starting value for all their matchups. It only goes up when after they have had some action. My initial bet (of something like $274!) will move the line by as much as 8-10 cents.

Thanks for the info. I'm curious what the range of limits is--I've only looked into it a little, and I thought my max was way down on the low end. If you think about it, check on your own limit on this bet and post when it changes.

--Dunbar

I just did some checking....it is still $200 Max wager for me with that bet.

I have been screwing around with head to head matchups during races too, so I figured I would check those....and found something strange.

They have some matchups for harness tonight at Meadowlands and my max is $200...BUT RIGHT BENEATH THOSE

they have some matchups at Del Mar for tonight...and my max wager is $500.


very strange indeed.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by GPK

I just did some checking....it is still $200 Max wager for me with that bet.

I have been screwing around with head to head matchups during races too, so I figured I would check those....and found something strange.

They have some matchups for harness tonight at Meadowlands and my max is $200...BUT RIGHT BENEATH THOSE

they have some matchups at Del Mar for tonight...and my max wager is $500.


very strange indeed.

It's not that strange, GPK. The bets at Del Mar have almost certainly taken more action, so the limits have been raised. I think that if you caught those Del Mar matchups earlier in the day, you would have seen $200 maxes there, too.

My limits on the Meadowlands/Del Mar matchups are 274/700+, and the 700+ number also includes cents.

Have you done particularly well betting the matchups at Pinnacle? I'm trying to understand why your limits are low.

--Dunbar