3-yr-old Eclipse Award prop at Pinnacle

[Dunbar]

Pinnacle has recently put up this prop:
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"Sun 8/6 Who will win Champion 3 year old colt or gelding?
Bernardini must start in Travers for action. No action if neither wins Eclipse.

101 Barbaro -107
102 Bernardini -109 "
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I don't know why it's dated 8/6--somebody's goof.

This is a chance for those who have already annointed Bernardini as the 2nd coming of Spectacular Bid to cash in. I was tempted myself, but decided to pass.

Limits are low, and will remain so until Pinnacle takes in some more action on the prop.

--Dunbar

This is an odd bet. Basically they are giving you even money on Bernardini in the Travers because a Travers win will make him 3yr old of the year. There is no way the limit ever goes up. Nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds.

[Scav]

THEY HAD Barbaro at -220 first open...people have been pounding Bernandini

[Scav]

Originally Posted by boldruler

This is an odd bet. Basically they are giving you even money on Bernardini in the Travers because a Travers win will make him 3yr old of the year. There is no way the limit ever goes up. Nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds.

Seriously? there is no way that the Travers locks up 3 year old of the year, your nuts....they both would have won two grade 1's, one against 20 horses and 10 horses and the other will win two of them with 10 horses combined in two races

Bernendini has to win the BC Classic to win 3 year old of the year, and EVEN then, he might not win that because they might give Barbaro 3 year old of the year and Bernendini Horse of the year

Scav, has a horse ever won horse of the year without winning the Eclipse for his own division? If so you might be right, they would love to give Barbaro an Eclipse without leaving out Bernardini, assuming he keeps dominating.

[Scav]

I swear it happened last year or the year before.....Sprinter of the year and 3 year old of the year or something(Lost in the Fog maybe?)

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by boldruler

This is an odd bet. Basically they are giving you even money on Bernardini in the Travers because a Travers win will make him 3yr old of the year. There is no way the limit ever goes up. Nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds.

I would be willing to bet VERY big money that the limit goes up. My limit on this bet is under $300 right now (limits at Pinnacle are player-specific). We'll see what it is in a day or two.

Scavs, what limit is it showing for you?

Boldruler, saying "nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds" is a very naive statement. Does that mean the Barbaro side is awful? Then how much are you unloading on the Bernardini side?

If the money really DID keep coming in on Bernardini, the line would move to a point where I (and many others) would certainly take Barbaro. Off the top of my head, I'd take Barbaro at +200, for example.

At least ONE of these 2 statements are true:
1. Bernardini at -107 is a GREAT bet
2. Barbaro at +200 is a GREAT bet.

If you think #2 is false, then you should be unloading on #1. btw, you can bet over and over at Pinnacle. Each time you bet, you will almost certainly move the line some, and then you can bet again. (at a worse line)

--Dunbar

[Scav]

http://www.trackchampion.com/forums/...ad.php?t=21280

This is where I first found out...not sure what my limit is as I can not sign in right now, I will check tonight first thing when I get home

[GPK]

my limit is $200 on that bet Dunbar

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I would be willing to bet VERY big money that the limit goes up. My limit on this bet is under $300 right now (limits at Pinnacle are player-specific). We'll see what it is in a day or two.

Scavs, what limit is it showing for you?

Boldruler, saying "nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds" is a very naive statement. Does that mean the Barbaro side is awful? Then how much are you unloading on the Bernardini side?

If the money really DID keep coming in on Bernardini, the line would move to a point where I (and many others) would certainly take Barbaro. Off the top of my head, I'd take Barbaro at +200, for example.

At least ONE of these 2 statements are true:
1. Bernardini at -107 is a GREAT bet
2. Barbaro at +200 is a GREAT bet.

If you think #2 is false, then you should be unloading on #1. btw, you can bet over and over at Pinnacle. Each time you bet, you will almost certainly move the line some, and then you can bet again. (at a worse line)

--Dunbar

Dun, don't worry about Bold, he isn't a 'player'....maybe $100 a day, and if the track is lucky, $200

Originally Posted by Scav

Dun, don't worry about Bold, he isn't a 'player'....maybe $100 a day, and if the track is lucky, $200

That is about right. I do make a few $2000-$5000 bets a year, but no more than 5-6 a year. Showing Up will be one next weekend and if Bright One is better than even money I will be betting $1000 to win on him this weekend.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by boldruler

That is about right. I do make a few $2000-$5000 bets a year, but no more than 5-6 a year. Showing Up will be one next weekend and if Bright One is better than even money I will be betting $1000 to win on him this weekend.

You wish you are betting that much...Show me a ticket and then I will believe it

Any if you are doing that, which I doubt, you are leaving about $1500 on the table by not playing off shore...and if you are playing offshore, their should be a record of it

Originally Posted by Scav

You wish you are betting that much...Show me a ticket and then I will believe it

Any if you are doing that, which I doubt, you are leaving about $1500 on the table by not playing off shore...and if you are playing offshore, their should be a record of it

Better yet, why don't you meet me at Saratoga next weekend. I will gladly show you my bet on Showing Up. If you can't afford to go, ask somebody else here to verify it.

You have a big mouth, how about $250 (about all you probably have) that I will have 10 tickets for $250 on Showing Up next weekend.

Put up or shut up.

[Scav]

You know what man, I can show you that Jan 1st through August 4th 2006 I have wagered close to 150k this year, through Pinnacle. I have PROOF of this....I can tell anyone that will listen that I have 10 $250 tickets in my hand

how about this...Shut me up with you scanning those 10 tickets and posting it on the board? Just PROVE me wrong...I don't gamble on stupid things like that, I gamble when I have an advantage. Someone that would want to gamble on that is either internet tough or has a little bit of the bug

[Scav]

furthermore, if you are dumb enough to make that wager, and ACTUALLY put that into the US pools, especially an Arlington pool, you need to understand how they make odds.

Lets just say that the total win pool is around 750k, a decent estimate IMO, probably less....that would mean about .33% of the pool is your wager, given the taken out, and Showing up to be about even money, that means 300k on Showing up, or almost 1% of your money on him to win....

Your costing yourself MONEY by putting that in US pools

(These numbers are for argument purposes and are quickly estimated, but some of the smarter people around here will get my point that I am trying to make)

Originally Posted by Scav

You know what man, I can show you that Jan 1st through August 4th 2006 I have wagered close to 150k this year, through Pinnacle. I have PROOF of this....I can tell anyone that will listen that I have 10 $250 tickets in my hand

how about this...Shut me up with you scanning those 10 tickets and posting it on the board? Just PROVE me wrong...I don't gamble on stupid things like that, I gamble when I have an advantage. Someone that would want to gamble on that is either internet tough or has a little bit of the bug

Sorry you are a compulsive gambler but there is nothing I can do to help you. I no longer gamble offshore because horse owners have told me that it is basically stealing money from the purses. I am not about to make my bets and run off to the Kinkos in downtown. I will gladly find somebody here that will be at Saratoga next weekend. I think after I meet them next Sunday or Monday morning or at the sales you will finally get the answer why I root for the Lael horses.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

You know what man, I can show you that Jan 1st through August 4th 2006 I have wagered close to 150k this year, through Pinnacle. I have PROOF of this....I can tell anyone that will listen that I have 10 $250 tickets in my hand

how about this...Shut me up with you scanning those 10 tickets and posting it on the board? Just PROVE me wrong...I don't gamble on stupid things like that, I gamble when I have an advantage. Someone that would want to gamble on that is either internet tough or has a little bit of the bug

I am living proof that he has wagered that much....I had access to his Pinnacle account for a loooong time.

Originally Posted by Scav

furthermore, if you are dumb enough to make that wager, and ACTUALLY put that into the US pools, especially an Arlington pool, you need to understand how they make odds.

Lets just say that the total win pool is around 750k, a decent estimate IMO, probably less....that would mean about .33% of the pool is your wager, given the taken out, and Showing up to be about even money, that means 300k on Showing up, or almost 1% of your money on him to win....

Your costing yourself MONEY by putting that in US pools

(These numbers are for argument purposes and are quickly estimated, but some of the smarter people around here will get my point that I am trying to make)

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Sorry you are a compulsive gambler but there is nothing I can do to help you. I no longer gamble offshore because horse owners have told me that it is basically stealing money from the purses. I am not about to make my bets and run off to the Kinkos in downtown. I will gladly find somebody here that will be at Saratoga next weekend. I think after I meet them next Sunday or Monday morning or at the sales you will finally get the answer why I root for the Lael horses.

if your the man you can surely prove EVERYONE wrong and scan them, 10 minutes of your time for people to stop harassing you and PROVE your point

And forget the pity party about stealing money from the purses, the takeouts are ABSORBANT and ridiculous

Don't really care why you root for Lael Horses either, you could be Roy Jackson for all I care, wouldn't impress me one bit, ESPECIALLY with how you act around here...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

Yeah, that is why governments across the world legalize it

Just keep on digging the whole...We might be able to start a specific forum called "Ridiculous posts by Boldruler, a great horse, but a simple mind"