Healthcare reform

[Cannon Shell]

A massive liberal healthcare program rigged to soak the people who are already getting soaked with other tax increases and we are supposed to believe that it will pay for itself and will actually help reduce the deficit?

Why not guarantee cancer being cured too while they are at it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

You are assuming there won't be?

I am assuming:

Riot wrote:

You are assuming there will be increased taxes. Not a bad assumption when looking at government programs, I agree.

But I'll wait to see if it holds true that the CBO says this will not require tax increases to pay for it, and if Obama holds true when he said he wouldn't sign it into law if taxes had to be increased to pay for it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A massive liberal healthcare program rigged to soak the people who are already getting soaked with other tax increases and we are supposed to believe that it will pay for itself and will actually help reduce the deficit?

Why not guarantee cancer being cured too while they are at it?

There are currently alot of cancers that are cureable.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

politicians lie

Gee, ya think? We all know that, we just lived through Bush-Cheney.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gee, ya think? We all know that, we just lived through Bush-Cheney.

Obama is even better than them. He lies and makes you believe it. Well he makes YOU believe it

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

There are currently alot of cancers that are cureable.

Only if detected in time. The time someone spends on a waiting list, or waiting for beaurocratic permission for the tests could be a matter of life or death. These people don't give 2 sh!ts about anyones health. It's a power grab plain and simple. Congressmen (and women) are not lining up to sign on to the Public Option. They wouldn't even vote to make it mandatory for themselves to be on the P.O.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obama is even better than them. He lies and makes you believe it. Well he makes YOU believe it

Yes, we'll see. You can say, "I told you so"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Only if detected in time..

No. All "cancers" are not alike. "In time" is in reference to those types of cancers that are highly (and quickly) malignant. Yes, those are nasty. There are plenty that are not, however.

There are many cancers today that are completely and rather easily curable. People still "hear the C word" and freak out. That's unfortunate, and needlessly scary for them. That's a lack of education about what oncology can do nowadays.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. All "cancers" are not alike. "In time" is in reference to those types of cancers that are highly (and quickly) malignant. Yes, those are nasty. There are plenty that are not, however.

There are many cancers today that are completely and rather easily curable. People still "hear the C word" and freak out. That's unfortunate, and needlessly scary for them. That's a lack of education about what oncology can do nowadays.

I stand corrected Dr. Riot.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Give me a break on the assumption. 1-20 would be long odds.

I may not go to MIT or be a math wiz but have a hard time figuring out how a lower income person could save $7500 per year in tax incentives. Just how much do lower income people PAY in taxes?

Not to mention that much of lower income America doesnt even pay taxes...

I consider myself Low income and still pay more than 7500 in taxes. Though some of that of course is the ridiculous Social Security that I have to pay so freaking much of and will never see a freaking dime. No IM not BITTER or anything.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I consider myself Low income and still pay more than 7500 in taxes. Though some of that of course is the ridiculous Social Security that I have to pay so freaking much of and will never see a freaking dime. No IM not BITTER or anything.

Yet another Govt. program going broke.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I stand corrected Dr. Riot.

I am a Dr. Riot, but we vets certainly treat alot of cancers. We use the same chemotherapeutic and radiation therapies as humans do, and there is alot of crossover and shared information between human and animal cancers.

Even in countries with real socialized medicine (the US is not by any means close with any of the healthcare reform bills pending), stories about long waits for treatment revolve mainly along elective, non-life-threatening lines. Horror stories are rare.

Far rarer than here in the US, where you have to have a certain income level to get "the best" care, where having a serious cancer can readily bankrupt your family when the insurance company decides not to pay or stops paying, and where early diagnosis of many diseases is often missed because many people simply cannot afford to see a doctor on a regular, preventive or timely basis.

That is WHY there is such a massive push for healthcare reform in this country. Because we NEED it!

[SOREHOOF]

I agree we need reform. I don't want to see a massive Govt. takeover. I forgot you were really a doctor. I was being a smartas

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I agree we need reform. I don't want to see a massive Govt. takeover.

Ditto.

You're not a smartazz Glenny Beck - there's a smartazz

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Riot

Even in countries with real socialized medicine (the US is not by any means close with any of the healthcare reform bills pending), stories about long waits for treatment revolve mainly along elective, non-life-threatening lines. Horror stories are rare.

Obviously, you have never worked at a VA Hospital or had to deal with the Indian Health service.