Healthcare reform

[Riot]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29959.html

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29959.html

LMAO. From MIT's website.

During the 2008 he was a consultant to the Clinton, Edwards and Obama Presidential campaigns.

http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/gruberj/shortbio

Keep the blinks on!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

LMAO. From MIT's website.

During the 2008 he was a consultant to the Clinton, Edwards and Obama Presidential campaigns.

http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/gruberj/shortbio

Keep the blinks on!

Sure, and the GOP is going all out to show how cost effective any healthcare reform whatsoever could be, right? And the GOP focus is on what their constituents want, first, right? You should see the completely ignorant letters Mitch McConnell's office is sending out in response to our letters to his office on this issue. His head is completely up his pompous azz.

[Danzig]

i wonder if the economist also ran a report on what it'll cost the govt- in other words, taxpayers.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wonder if the economist also ran a report on what it'll cost the govt- in other words, taxpayers.

That is beside the point.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

That is beside the point.

yeah, sure it is. the quicker people start realizing that nothing the govt 'gives' them is free, the better off many would be. it would also help if the guv would come to the realization they can't continue to spend more than they take in.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sure, and the GOP is going all out to show how cost effective any healthcare reform whatsoever could be, right? And the GOP focus is on what their constituents want, first, right? You should see the completely ignorant letters Mitch McConnell's office is sending out in response to our letters to his office on this issue. His head is completely up his pompous azz.

Healthcare reform is NOT cost effective period. And Gov healthcare will be a nightmare. Unless of course you love waiting in lines, paying more taxes, burdening small businesses or know a 'guy' in the system.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wonder if the economist also ran a report on what it'll cost the govt- in other words, taxpayers.

If you read the thread I posted, yes, that is included.

Edit: whoops, wrong article. Here you go: http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Healthcare reform is NOT cost effective period. And Gov healthcare will be a nightmare. Unless of course you love waiting in lines, paying more taxes, burdening small businesses or know a 'guy' in the system.

So you didn't read the figures in the thread, either?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, sure it is. the quicker people start realizing that nothing the govt 'gives' them is free, the better off many would be. it would also help if the guv would come to the realization they can't continue to spend more than they take in.

Since only about 45% (+or -) pay any income taxes at all in this country, I think there are a lot of people who do in fact believe that the Govt. gives away "free" things. As this number continues to rise there will be less and less opposition to increased Govt. spending, and less opposition to increased taxes on the ones left paying taxes. The "rich" already pay more than their fair share. Where is it going to come from? The Govt. is notorious for underestimating how much their pet programs will cost.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Healthcare reform is NOT cost effective period. And Gov healthcare will be a nightmare. Unless of course you love waiting in lines, paying more taxes, burdening small businesses or know a 'guy' in the system.

Maybe for you.

As for me, I'll be keeping my own current (becoming less expensive) insurance, and my own current doctors, hospitals. No lines for me. No need to "know" anyone in the system.

No change for me, except less expensive and my insurance company won't be able to exclude pre-existing conditions on me or suddenly rescind my insurance just because I make a claim.

My taxes won't go up to cover it as the bill won't be signed into law on that basis.

My friends with small businesses will be able to finally afford reasonably-priced health insurance for their employees. Geesh, that used to cost me alot of money, for few employees, when I had my own business.

Can't wait, too bad it won't happen for a couple years (unless states go ahead and implement their choice to start things early)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sure, and the GOP is going all out to show how cost effective any healthcare reform whatsoever could be, right? And the GOP focus is on what their constituents want, first, right? You should see the completely ignorant letters Mitch McConnell's office is sending out in response to our letters to his office on this issue. His head is completely up his pompous azz.

C'mon. if this guy worked for Bush 1 and 2 and wrote the reform policy was awful you would do everything imaginable to discredit him.


From the article

And people with low incomes would receive premium tax credits that would reduce the price that they pay for health insurance by as much as $2,500 to $7,500.

People with low incomes will receive tax credits that save them up to $7500? Just what is considered low income these days?
How can this possibly happen?

[SOREHOOF]

The increased taxes will start immediatly. The program won't start for a few years. How would you like to buy a car and have the dealer tell you that you can pick it up in 3 years, after you've been making the payments? Meanwhile other people have been driving it.

[Riot]

C'mon. if this guy worked for Bush 1 and 2 and wrote the reform policy was awful you would do everything imaginable to discredit him.

That's a big assumption.

From the article

And people with low incomes would receive premium tax credits that would reduce the price that they pay for health insurance by as much as $2,500 to $7,500.

People with low incomes will receive tax credits that save them up to $7500? Just what is considered low income these days?
How can this possibly happen?

It's explained in the bill.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The increased taxes will start immediatly. The program won't start for a few years. How would you like to buy a car and have the dealer tell you that you can pick it up in 3 years, after you've been making the payments? Meanwhile other people have been driving it.

And in 8 years after all the surplus built up from 4 years of revenue with no output is long gone, hello massive increases in taxes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The increased taxes will start immediatly. The program won't start for a few years. How would you like to buy a car and have the dealer tell you that you can pick it up in 3 years, after you've been making the payments? Meanwhile other people have been driving it.

You are assuming there will be increased taxes. Not a bad assumption when looking at government programs, I agree.

But I'll wait to see if it holds true that the CBO says this will not require tax increases to pay for it, and if Obama holds true when he said he wouldn't sign it into law if taxes had to be increased to pay for it.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are assuming there will be increased taxes. Not a bad assumption when looking at government programs, I agree.

But I'll wait to see if it holds true that the CBO says this will not require tax increases to pay for it, and if Obama holds true when he said he wouldn't sign it into law if taxes had to be increased to pay for it.

You are assuming there won't be?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a big assumption.



It's explained in the bill.

Give me a break on the assumption. 1-20 would be long odds.

I may not go to MIT or be a math wiz but have a hard time figuring out how a lower income person could save $7500 per year in tax incentives. Just how much do lower income people PAY in taxes?

Not to mention that much of lower income America doesnt even pay taxes...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are assuming there will be increased taxes. Not a bad assumption when looking at government programs, I agree.

But I'll wait to see if it holds true that the CBO says this will not require tax increases to pay for it, and if Obama holds true when he said he wouldn't sign it into law if taxes had to be increased to pay for it.

Let me in a little secret...
















politicians lie







especially when it is going to cost us more money

[Danzig]

not only do they not pay, they get earned income credit at years' end. a 'refund' for taxes not paid. one hell of a system..