Who beats Zenyatta if the BC was at SA this year?

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Trust me, all the good synthetic horses are in Europe racing on turf - the same place all of the good turf horses happen to be.

I guess the same question would apply to the 2008 Classic. I presume with this logic, you think she's 3rd merely outfinishing one of your all time favorite Tiago and behind Raven's Pass and Henry?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Then why didn't those good synthetic horses show up for the $10 Mil Dubai World Cup? I'm not questioning they fact that good turf horses in Europe wouldn't show up and run well on the Pro-Ride in the classic, but I don't think they would be any better than Zenyatta.

Gio Ponti and Twice Over were both off the board behind huge longshots in that stupid $10 Dubai race .. and further - they ran like a $6 million turf race and a $5 million turf race or something insane the same day.

Also - the best horses in Europe are typically given the winter off.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Gio Ponti and Twice Over were both off the board behind huge longshots in that stupid $10 Dubai race .. and further - they ran like a $6 million turf race and a $5 million turf race or something insane the same day.

Also - the best horses in Europe are typically given the winter off.

Name 3 who would beat her for sure on synthetics, your just saying the best are in Europe... So please just name 3.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I guess the same question would apply to the 2008 Classic. I presume with this logic, you think she's 3rd merely outfinishing one of your all time favorite Tiago and behind Raven's Pass and Henry?

Only 3 Euro's showed up for that BC Classic edition .. and the exacta paid $319 with two Euro's running 1st and 2nd.

If it's 7 Euro's VS 7 Americans on synthetic you'd notice their dominance more. Instead, - it's more like 10 American horses VS 2.5 Euro's - and the Euro's have to fly halfway around the world to Santa Anita for the race.

How do you think Conduit would have done if he would have run in the BC Brown Turf instead of the BC Green Turf the last two years?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Name 3 who would beat her for sure on synthetics, your just saying the best are in Europe... So please just name 3.

3 out of any four that come... and she'd be home and they'd have to travel.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Gio Ponti and Twice Over were both off the board behind huge longshots in that stupid $10 Dubai race .. and further - they ran like a $6 million turf race and a $5 million turf race or something insane the same day.

Also - the best horses in Europe are typically given the winter off.

didn't Gio run 4th beaten about a length? not like he was up the track...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

didn't Gio run 4th beaten about a length? not like he was up the track...

Didn't our dirt horses win that race in a total laugher almost every single year?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Devil May Care and Blind Luck are very good 3yo fillies. Majestic Perfection is slightly the best of a few pretty solid sprinters in America - and there's a real good one in Canada in Hollywood Hit.

Watching Blind Luck run well against the grain, yet lose some of them where she just can't overcome the setup only makes it all the more apparent how good Z really is. Anyone who appreciates BL can only appreciate Z more --- as she's about the best there is/was running this style.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

3 out of any four that come... and she'd be home and they'd have to travel.

Do annoying facebook people really make you go from being a Zenyatta fan, to the biggest hater around? Do you watch ESPN Cold Pizza/First n Ten/whatever its called now. You remind me of the D. HATER.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Only 3 Euro's showed up for that BC Classic edition .. and the exacta paid $319 with two Euro's running 1st and 2nd.

If it's 7 Euro's VS 7 Americans on synthetic you'd notice their dominance more. Instead, - it's more like 10 American horses VS 2.5 Euro's - and the Euro's have to fly halfway around the world to Santa Anita for the race.

How do you think Conduit would have done if he would have run in the BC Brown Turf instead of the BC Green Turf the last two years?

2nd last year and probably 3rd the year before. And all we're talking about is Zenyatta. 1/2 to 2/3's of US horses didn't have a shot to begin with...

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Didn't our dirt horses win that race in a total laugher almost every single year?

and they were up the track on the new stuff... if the argument is Z v. Europeans on the "pro-ride", I'll grant the shipping is an issue, but I don't think there are an infinate number of horses in Europe that could be at Z on Pro-Ride... I realize that St. Trianians was nothing over there, and only was beat a head, etc...

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I realize that St. Trianians was nothing over there, and only was beat a head, etc...

Do we need to account for her trainer here at all?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Do we need to account for her trainer here at all?

Z is trained by a guy with a lifetime profitable ROI who transformed Life Is Sweet from a weak Eastern turf and syn horse with Mott into a BC Distaff winner and one who wasn't losing far to Zenyatta in races where both of them were impacted by poor setups for deep closers.

[the_fat_man]

I was referring to St Trinian's trainer.