conservatives vs women

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I can't believe it's 2012, and women are struggling anew to keep their rights against the wishes of idiotic old white men.

Geeshus cripes.

And Santorum today, his rant about religion and government? He's nothing but a Mullah. What a theocratic, dangerous religious loon.

The rest of the world is laughing at us. No wonder we can't drag this country into the 21st century with the rest of the first world, we have too many people in our own country trying to drag us back to the 1700's.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

I can't believe it's 2012, and women are struggling anew to keep their rights against the wishes of idiotic old white men.

Geeshus cripes.

And Santorum today, his rant about religion and government? He's nothing but a Mullah. What a theocratic, dangerous religious loon.

The rest of the world is laughing at us. No wonder we can't drag this country into the 21st century with the rest of the first world, we have too many people in our own country trying to drag us back to the 1700's.

Took a poke at JFK's separation of church and state, said it was a crackpot statement...

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The only trouble is, Santorum isn't a very good Catholic. The Catholic church believes in helping the poor, and healthcare for everyone.

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I want a Chief Executive whose public acts are responsible to all groups and obligated to none--who can attend any ceremony, service or dinner his office may appropriately require of him--and whose fulfillment of his Presidential oath is not limited or conditioned by any religious oath, ritual or obligation.

This is the kind of America I believe in--and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a "divided loyalty," that we did "not believe in liberty," or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the "freedoms for which our forefathers died."

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Whatever issue may come before me as President--on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject--I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

- Democratic Presidential candidate John Fitzgerald Kennedy

"To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up. What kind of country do we live in where only people of non-faith can come in the public square and make their case? That makes me throw up. And that should make every American [throw up]."

"I don't believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute," he said.

- leading Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Took a poke at JFK's separation of church and state, said it was a crackpot statement.

"I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.
For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew— or a Quaker or a Unitarian or a Baptist. It was Virginia’s harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson’s statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril."- JFK

Ah, Santorum- offended, as always, by religious liberty.

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Santorum also said he does not believe in an America where the separation of church and state is "absolute."

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country," said Santorum. "This is the First Amendment. The First Amendment says the free exercise of religion. That means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square.

so...what church is 'the church'???


and yes, rick, there should be no involvement in the operation of the state. i'd hate to see how the state would be should old rick get his wish and impose the views of his church on the state. thank goodness there is separation between the two!!

so glad this bozo has no shot.

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We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.

- Ronald Reagan

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

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We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.

- Ronald Reagan

[bigrun]

WASHINGTON --

Let me be blunt: If Republicans nominate Rick Santorum, they will lose.

The prospect of four more years of Barack Obama holds some appeal for many Americans, but probably not for most Republicans. It may give doubters among them some comfort, however, to know that Obama and Santorum share the same prayer: that Santorum be the Republican nominee.

Increasingly, the party is growing grayer and whiter. Nine out of 10 Republicans are non-Hispanic whites and more than half are highly religious, according to Gallup. This isn't news, but when this demographic is suddenly associated with renewed debate about whether women should have access to contraception — never mind abortion — suddenly, they begin to look like the Republican Brotherhood.

Add to that perception the abhorrent, pre-abortion ultrasound legislation proposed in Virginia, and you can kiss the pope's ring and voters' retreating backsides.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/o...pr-ar-1717871/

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the candidates are trying so hard to be ultra-rightist...well, in santorums case, he IS far right-in order to win the nomination.

however, anyone other than romney really has no shot vs obama. they're too far out of the mainstream. the republican party will cease to exist as a viable party if their only real reaction to the democrats is to become more conservative.
romney is more centrist-but he may not get the nomination. really probably no big loss.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._freedom_.html


Sick to His Stomach
John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech on religious freedom gives Rick Santorum a bellyache—it shouldn’t.
By David Greenberg|Posted Monday, Feb. 27, 2012, at 12:39 PM ET

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GOP lawmakers evidently did not know, until it was pointed out to them by noted medical experts such as comedian Jon Stewart, what was in the ultrasound bill they were poised to pass last week: that it would force many abortion-seeking women to submit to a transvaginal procedure against their will.


Even the legislation's sponsor, state Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, admitted she had "no concept" about the true extent of her bill – and she wasn't sure she believed it after being told. Once they found out, though, Republicans beat a rapid retreat. A compromise measure will require an abdominal ultrasound but make the vaginal kind voluntary. Mighty big of them.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/o...si-ar-1720572/

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the potomac river might as well be the size of the grand canyon, with the political gulf yawning between virginia and neighboring maryland. md's governor about to sign gay marriage into law in annapolis thursday, while the old dominion state tries to force ultrasounds on those damned pesky, uppity virginia women. what would jefferson, madison, henry, lee and others say?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the potomac river might as well be the size of the grand canyon, with the political gulf yawning between virginia and neighboring maryland. md's governor about to sign gay marriage into law in annapolis thursday, while the old dominion state tries to force ultrasounds on those damned pesky, uppity virginia women. what would jefferson, madison, henry, lee and others say?

Yeah but those damned pesky, uppity virginia women should be forced to place an aspirin between their knees, even if they are being raped..

And in VA we can go packing to our favorite saloon and protect ourselves..
and we can purchase more than one gun a month...what!...what ordinary citizen needs to buy more than one gun a month...wtf sense does that make.
I'd move to NC but they don't allow on-line betting...and gas is a dime more there...

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Originally Posted by bigrun

and we can purchase more than one gun a month...what!...what ordinary citizen needs to buy more than one gun a month...wtf sense does that make....

About as much as limiting women to one abortion a month. I mean who needs more than one abortion a month?

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._old_one_.html


this is a new article on slate about the amended virginia ultrasound requirement. good article with great points made about doctors, their patients-and politicians who are trying to tell doctors how to do their job.

the last paragraph (and OH, the irony!) :

There is a debate raging now about whether it was a mistake for critics to focus on the transvaginal aspect of the law, as opposed to the fact that all mandatory ultrasounds represent an impermissible incursion into a doctor’s judgment and a woman’s rights. That, I suspect, depends on what women choose to make of Gov. McDonnell, who said yesterday that he was pleased with the passage of the new ultrasound legislation because "I think women have a right to know all the right medical information before they make an informed choice.” Yet the same McDonnell has loudly objected to TSA body scans and pat-downs in airports as crossing “the line” in regard “to people’s concerns about privacy” and “beneath the dignity” of air travelers. Everyone has a right to privacy and dignity, and if the government seeks to intrude on those rights it should be able to articulate a reason. “Women don’t really know what they’re doing” isn’t a reason. It never was.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

“Women don’t really know what they’re doing” isn’t a reason. It never was.

Bingo.

[Riot]

The GOP, the party of big government takeover of your life. Thank you, Senate Dems!

I was talking to my father and uncle ... both lifelong, ultra conservative (in the former meaning of the word) northwest suburban Chicago staunch Republicans. The current GOP has about zero historically recognizable "Republican" ideals. It's just crazy. The John Birchers rule, like back in the late 1950's.

Senate Blocks G.O.P. Bill on Contraceptives Policy

By ROBERT PEAR
Published: March 1, 2012

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday killed a Republican effort to let employers and health insurance companies deny coverage for contraceptives and other services to which they have religious or moral objections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/us...on-policy.html

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well, well, well...had to know that sooner or later, that old misogynist hater rush would have to visit the thread. missed the story from yesterday; happened to catch the tail end of a news segment about his new comments from today while on a treadmill at the gym.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ine-sex-videos


well, gals out there. how does it feel to know that if you use contraception and feel it should be paid for by your insurance just like they pay for all other prescrip meds, that rush thinks you're a slut? a prostitute? hell, he already calls women femiNAZIS so i guess i can't be too surprised.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/op...=1&ref=opinion


The Unfinished Fight Over Contraception
By LOUISE G. TRUBEK
Published: March 1, 2012

CAN we still be arguing about a woman’s ability to control her own fertility? Almost 50 years ago in Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court struck down state restrictions on contraception because they violated a right to privacy. But the issue has not gone away. Rick Santorum injected it into the presidential race by indicating that Griswold should be overturned so that states could ban contraception altogether. And the Senate just voted down a Republican effort to allow employers and health insurance companies to refuse coverage for contraceptives if they had moral or religious objections.



i cannot believe that we are talking about this; that a presidential candidate actually thinks contraception should be outlawed. where did this come from?? why are we moving backwards? this is outrageous and unbelievable.
it seems imo that the less popular republicans become, the further the few that are left move to the right. which in turn leads to even less popularity! rick santorum is a loony. a LOONY.