ukraine

[Danzig]

http://news.msn.com/world/russian-ma...ns-crimea-grip


i saw the earlier report, that said there had been an ultimatum. as you can see, that is being denied by russia-but i'd take any of their pronouncements with a grain of salt.
fools rush in where angels fear to tread....

i have to think the people with the money will be hollering for putin to put his toys in his backpack and go home. i doubt they expected that kind of market hit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.msn.com/world/russian-ma...ns-crimea-grip


i saw the earlier report, that said there had been an ultimatum. as you can see, that is being denied by russia-but i'd take any of their pronouncements with a grain of salt.
fools rush in where angels fear to tread....

i have to think the people with the money will be hollering for putin to put his toys in his backpack and go home. i doubt they expected that kind of market hit.

You may not realize this but the people with money in Russia are all pretty much completely beholden to Putin, not the other way around like in the US.

This is guy is an example of what happens when you cross Mr Putin
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12082222

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You may not realize this but the people with money in Russia are all pretty much completely beholden to Putin, not the other way around like in the US.

That's a side effect of the command-and-control economy that Obama is trying to implement here. "Picking winners and losers" - that determines the direction and flow of influence.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

That's a side effect of the command-and-control economy that Obama is trying to implement here. "Picking winners and losers" - that determines the direction and flow of influence.

Yeah its A new thing that just started with Obama

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

Yeah its A new thing that just started with Obama

Not new - the Russians had it since 1917 - but an unprecedented push to bring it here to America.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Not new - the Russians had it since 1917 - but an unprecedented push to bring it here to America.

bwahahahahahahahaha

so much for a thread about UKRAINE.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Not new - the Russians had it since 1917 - but an unprecedented push to bring it here to America.

Now that you have hijacked the thread with you tired anti Obama, Rush Limbaugh Parrot act. Please infom us how Obama's policies on the topic you bring up are any different than those of the last 30 years.

[herkhorse]

joey still wears tighty whities, he hasn't changed his mind about anything in 40 years.

[joeydb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw

[joeydb]

History repeats itself. Obama is trying to be Neville Chamberlain.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

joey still wears tighty whities, he hasn't changed his mind about anything in 40 years.

LOL - so that's supposed to convince everyone that Obama has the right policy toward the Ukraine situation??

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

LOL - so that's supposed to convince everyone that Obama has the right policy toward the Ukraine situation??

Dana Milbank: "This is the point in an international crisis when we all wait silently to see what Obama does so we can criticize whatever it is."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

History repeats itself. Obama is trying to be Neville Chamberlain.

exactly what do you think obama should do right now in regards to ukraine?

and staying pat for now does not make one neville chamberlain. but props to you for knowing the name.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dana Milbank: "This is the point in an international crisis when we all wait silently to see what Obama does so we can criticize whatever it is."

yep, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

[rpncaine]

Craig Ferguson with some nice historical analogies.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/late_late_s...g-the-ukraine/

[Danzig]

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...1934b270d4697f


looks to me that putin is backing down a bit, of course while trying to bluster and talk tough. here's hoping things continue to calm down.

[Rudeboyelvis]

If your question was, "which Republican hawk", and" how long it would take before they suggested we need to stick our nose, militarily, into this quagmire"?


We do in fact now have a winnah!

Your answer would be Newt and 2 weeks.

We shoulda put up a poll and offered odds.... My money woulda been on McCain and 3 weeks

>>>on one of the 4 steps we need to ake against Putin....

Fourth, strengthen American military capabilities to show that we recognize that Putin is more dangerous than we thought and that we are prepared to strengthen our ability to deal with any threat he might bring to bear, particularly on our NATO allies in the Baltic.<<<


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/opinio...ss_igoogle_cnn

On the week where we now celebrate the amount of interest being paid on the national debt now exceeding our DoD budget, no less...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

If your question was, "which Republican hawk", and" how long it would take before they suggested we need to stick our nose, militarily, into this quagmire"?

I was dismayed the leading Dem candidate for President stated Putin was following the same plan as Hitler yet refrained from putting a military option on the table.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

On the week where we now celebrate the amount of interest being paid on the national debt now exceeding our DoD budget, no less...

And we decide to punish the Russians by 'lending' a billion of borrowed cash on the backs of American taxpayers, many middle class, to the Ukraine.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

If your question was, "which Republican hawk", and" how long it would take before they suggested we need to stick our nose, militarily, into this quagmire"?


We do in fact now have a winnah!

Your answer would be Newt and 2 weeks.

We shoulda put up a poll and offered odds.... My money woulda been on McCain and 3 weeks

>>>on one of the 4 steps we need to ake against Putin....

Fourth, strengthen American military capabilities to show that we recognize that Putin is more dangerous than we thought and that we are prepared to strengthen our ability to deal with any threat he might bring to bear, particularly on our NATO allies in the Baltic.<<<


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/opinio...ss_igoogle_cnn

On the week where we now celebrate the amount of interest being paid on the national debt now exceeding our DoD budget, no less...

gingrich is a fool.
for one, ukraine and crimea don't really mean much to the u.s.a. and it's interests. so, for him to suggest any action, anywhere on the globe demands our attention is pitiful.
putin and russia aren't powerful like newt makes them out to be. i know Putin thinks he's a world power/mover/shaker.
Putin is trying to expand his reach by keeping Ukraine friendly to Russia, rather than them going into the sphere of the west. his move into crimea won't win him many friends in Ukraine, and will only cause them to cozy up to the west that much more. this will backfire on Putin.


and i have to say, all this bs from the repubs regarding how 'strong' putin is, and how 'weak' obama is, is one of the worst exhibitions of cognitive dissonance i have seen in quite some time.
and ffs, who came up with 'mom jeans' as a slur?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

gingrich is a fool.
for one, ukraine and crimea don't really mean much to the u.s.a. and it's interests. so, for him to suggest any action, anywhere on the globe demands our attention is pitiful.
putin and russia aren't powerful like newt makes them out to be. i know Putin thinks he's a world power/mover/shaker.
Putin is trying to expand his reach by keeping Ukraine friendly to Russia, rather than them going into the sphere of the west. his move into crimea won't win him many friends in Ukraine, and will only cause them to cozy up to the west that much more. this will backfire on Putin.


and i have to say, all this bs from the repubs regarding how 'strong' putin is, and how 'weak' obama is, is one of the worst exhibitions of cognitive dissonance i have seen in quite some time.
and ffs, who came up with 'mom jeans' as a slur?

Unfortunately, it would not resonate so loudly if there weren't valid reasoning behind it. His foreign policy is an absolute, absurd, global joke - I don't know how that can even be debated - when you blindly authorize the bombings of civilians "in the interest of national security" and out of the other side of your face make pretend you're some sort of Mother Teresa when trying to solve everyone else's issues...Only Americans are the ones not getting it at this point.