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[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Like you apparently.

You're comparing gun violence here with the rest of the world and think it's on a par? OK.

Because it's comparable especially considering your boyfriend Obummer just said it doesn't happen anywhere civilized. (not exact quote, semantics tards).

He basically said the French don't exist. Charlie Hebdo didn't happen.

He insults the intelligence of non-ret.arded, agenda-driven 'Americans' who are ignorant enough to believe a simple executive order banning guns will actually end these events.

The only way you'll have a chance at success is door to door confiscation.

No different than the Nazis.

The hypocrisy is astounding. The naive idiotic mantras you anti-American scum spout when an emotional event happens...TYPICAL.

Ban me. You're a shill.

[Pants II]

Reichstag Fire Decree, suspended the provisions of the German constitution that protected basic individual rights, including freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly. The decree also permitted increased state and police intervention into private life, allowing officials to censor mail, listen in on phone conversations, and search private homes without a warrant or need to show reasonable cause. Under the state of emergency established by the decree, the Nazi regime could arrest and detain people without cause and without limits on the length of incarceration.

Taking advantage of a frightened public. Taking away their rights.

Easily being swayed by emotion. The easiest to manipulate and control.

Very little difference.

History often repeats.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think it's on par but am not so ignorant to state it doesn't happen in other developed countries.

I'm not looking to debate what the President said.. The bigger issue that I'm reacting to is how as a country there hasn't been any coherent attempt to figure out how to practically address a problem that goes on and on and on. That's all.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Because it's comparable especially considering your boyfriend Obummer just said it doesn't happen anywhere civilized. (not exact quote, semantics tards). He basically said the French don't exist. Charlie Hebdo didn't happen.

He insults the intelligence of non-ret.arded, agenda-driven 'Americans' who are ignorant enough to believe a simple executive order banning guns will actually end these events.

The only way you'll have a chance at success is door to door confiscation.

No different than the Nazis. The hypocrisy is astounding. The naive idiotic mantras you anti-American scum spout when an emotional event happens...TYPICAL. Ban me. You're a shill.

Originally Posted by Pants II

Taking advantage of a frightened public. Taking away their rights. Easily being swayed by emotion. The easiest to manipulate and control. Very little difference. History often repeats.

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

It's a ripple affect of society. The way some/most have gone soft with raising kids and by what is being allowed to be viewed on t.v's,games, movies, magazines, Billboards, social media, etc.that wasn't there 30+ yrs ago. It's evolution and it's going in a bad direction. I really don't think there is a way to stop it from getting worse

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

[Pants II]

Back on topic kinda went off the rails there but that part of the Freddie Gray case has bothered me immensely. It's, imho, the greatest crime of all.

Now about this incident.

How many 21 year old chili bowl southern boys you know that are hip to apartheid and Rhodesia?

Lone wolf? Pfffffffft.

[Pants II]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...nckney/396251/

June 17th 1822. Coinky dink?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Arletta

It's a ripple affect of society. The way some/most have gone soft with raising kids and by what is being allowed to be viewed on t.v's,games, movies, magazines, Billboards, social media, etc.that wasn't there 30+ yrs ago. It's evolution and it's going in a bad direction. I really don't think there is a way to stop it from getting worse

I disagree. This isnt a new thing, occurring only very recently.

http://news.discovery.com/history/ma...ory-121220.htm

Every generation looks at the next one and says we are screwed. Whether it was women voting, rock n roll, or facebook, some point and blame.
in many ways we are better off than ever. The good old days included polio, smallpox and no antibiotics.
there have always been mentally ill folks and bizarre behavior. What we as a nation need to do is treat mental illness as the health issue it is. The therapist of the colorado shooter was concerned, so he called the shooters mother. Wtf? Better he could have called a hospital and had the guy admitted.
in louisiana, they just watered down a measure that would have prevented people with stalking records and domestic violence from getting a gun. Again, wtf?
This guy seemed a nut, who was fed a lot of hate from god knows where. It was a lethal combination.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

Yeah, what did that vidoe posted on here anout america include? Number one in defense, death rate for infants, and people who believe in angels.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

South Carolina's oh-so-special Sen. Lindsey Graham.. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...us-charleston/

Oh, god. Lindsey graham. Jesus. That guy is indescribably idiotic.

[Pants II]

Subuxone, reports the dude played fps games 8-12 hours a day, did obvious research on the Church hence the correlation of historic date...

and we're still going to be told it's a lone wolf. Even though we know the Boston Bombers were influenced by individuals on the net.

This young man is a victim of the MIC. From the poppy fields to the television set.

Sickening.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I disagree. This isnt a new thing, occurring only very recently.

http://news.discovery.com/history/ma...ory-121220.htm

Every generation looks at the next one and says we are screwed. Whether it was women voting, rock n roll, or facebook, some point and blame.
in many ways we are better off than ever. The good old days included polio, smallpox and no antibiotics.
there have always been mentally ill folks and bizarre behavior. What we as a nation need to do is treat mental illness as the health issue it is. The therapist of the colorado shooter was concerned, so he called the shooters mother. Wtf? Better he could have called a hospital and had the guy admitted.
in louisiana, they just watered down a measure that would have prevented people with stalking records and domestic violence from getting a gun. Again, wtf?
This guy seemed a nut, who was fed a lot of hate from god knows where. It was a lethal combination.

So your saying that all the violence we see on T.V, movies and games now have nothing at all to do with being a contributor? I am not trying to compare if we are "better" now, by the medicine, because of course we are especially with the diagnosis/medication available for people with mental illness'. I am simply stating from a MORAL perspective that society today is more at risk safety wise than say in the 50's and 60's.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Arletta

So your saying that all the violence we see on T.V, movies and games now have nothing at all to do with being a contributor? I am not trying to compare if we are "better" now, by the medicine, because of course we are especially with the diagnosis/medication available for people with mental illness'. I am simply stating from a MORAL perspective that society today is more at risk safety wise than say in the 50's and 60's.

I disagree with that as well. our crime rates are lower than in decades. One reason people give is more meds for mental illness. Another is that lead is no longer an issue like it once was, with it removed from gasoline and paint. Even the romans knew it could make you crazy.
Now, if you want to talk priorities with funding, thats something to discuss. We can afford to outspend the rest of the world military wise, but we cant afford better education? Health care, including for mental illness?

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I disagree with that as well. our crime rates are lower than in decades. One reason people give is more meds for mental illness. Another is that lead is no longer an issue like it once was, with it removed from gasoline and paint. Even the romans knew it could make you crazy.
Now, if you want to talk priorities with funding, thats something to discuss. We can afford to outspend the rest of the world military wise, but we cant afford better education? Health care, including for mental illness?

You must also take into account that decades ago they didn't have access to 'the bad stuff' like we do now.

Every offensive image, video, story, etc at the tip of our fingertips. Back in the day you had to work for it.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

Completely agree on all counts. That's the socio-economic overwrap/undercurrent at play. Especially in Baltimore. You saw John Angelos' incredible comments I'm sure..

On the shooting side, whether it's mental illness (Sandy Hook), racial overtone (this horrific mess in South Carolina), socially disengaged (Columbine) or economic/familial distress (workplace shootings anywhere), there are bigger root causes at play far beyond the gun control part of the equation.

(And when have I ever not assuaged your testiness?)

[Danzig]

I do think tho that we as a nation need to start looking to our selves more, and the rest of the world a bit less. We have serious issues at home to take care of, and politicians who worry more about the next election than they do about doing their job they were elected to do...and people wanting to do overseas what they say we haven't got the money to do here. We have people either denying or exploiting the various problems we have to face and, more importantly, fix.

[Danzig]

And now I read this:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ime_still.html


Yeah, thanks for speaking up in time to...oh, I don't know.....keep it from happening.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Completely agree on all counts. That's the socio-economic overwrap/undercurrent at play. Especially in Baltimore. You saw John Angelos' incredible comments I'm sure..

On the shooting side, whether it's mental illness (Sandy Hook), racial overtone (this horrific mess in South Carolina), socially disengaged (Columbine) or economic/familial distress (workplace shootings anywhere), there are bigger root causes at play far beyond the gun control part of the equation.

(And when have I ever not assuaged your testiness?)

Most of these 'lone wolf' shooters are 'shut-ins'. No socializing outside of the internet. Easily influenced by manipulators (and they're in abundance) on the fringe forums and Darknet.

I looked at a few photos of this young man and he was once a happy individual. In the span of a year or so his face completely changed. And he was openly talking to his roommate about doing horrific things to minorities and that buffoon didn't tell one authority figure until now.

This is insanity.

What the left and right need to do is arguably come to a compromise on mental health care. We already subsidize so many aspects of health care yet this is one that is sorely underfunded.

And this goes against my core beliefs about government but I'm not going to kid myself and not see the mental decline in a few of my neighbors and the assorted characters throughout this city.

Best way to keep tabs on them is have them talking to someone who takes good notes.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I do think tho that we as a nation need to start looking to our selves more, and the rest of the world a bit less. We have serious issues at home to take care of, and politicians who worry more about the next election than they do about doing their job they were elected to do...and people wanting to do overseas what they say we haven't got the money to do here. We have people either denying or exploiting the various problems we have to face and, more importantly, fix.

Yet today the House passed TAA.

TAA/TPA really about keep the trade and supply lines hassle free for our future conflicts with China/Russia/Iran