shooting in sc

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-erupt...021744448.html


nine killed,just awful.

[OldDog]

Sick bastard ID'd

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2015/06/...g-bible-study/

http://www.live5news.com/story/29347...eston-shooting

[OldDog]

Arrested

http://www.live5news.com/story/29347...mpaign=meganav

[dellinger63]

Thankfully SC has the death penalty.

RIH douche bag

[Kasept]

Last week Charlie Pierce delivered one of the best and most glowing appreciations of the Crown success.. Now he has to go back to the most consistent, disgusting behavior in this increasingly embarrassing country..

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...1456_195657991

[GenuineRisk]

Dear Fox & Friends: No, this was not an attack on religion. It's never been. These white folk singers from Queens understood that 50 years ago. why don't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyDJFMojIoA

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

When we see incidents like this I know the attacker never got the following:

Playing the role of victim, or using past events to build excuses guarantees you no progress, no healing, and no victory.


I find it important to remind myself that:

Angry words that point to blame may accurately identify the original source of a problem.
However, all too often blame and demonstrations of outrage ---->
leads to more intense hostility, greater division between others, and alienation.

May those we've lost rest in peace and their loved ones ultimately heal.

Also, let us ALL vividly remember how much we needed each other to deal with life's tragedies
before, during, and well beyond the inevitable discussion our proposed solutions.

I find its impossible to use rational thought to explain the irrational. Those poor people, my heart goes out to their families and friends.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Dear Fox & Friends: No, this was not an attack on religion. It's never been. These white folk singers from Queens understood that 50 years ago. why don't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyDJFMojIoA

Have been watching the Hawks Stanley Cup celebration but FOX at least online certainly isn't branding this as an attack on religion but rather a hate crime. The killer clearly stated he was there to kill black people not church people. Just turned on FOX and they're describing it as a terrorist attack as well as a hate crime. Can you please link something declaring it an attack on religion?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/18...-at-sc-church/

Just heard SC does not have a hate crime statute but since he fled to NC the Feds can step in and charge him. I just hope they allow SC to prosecute, find him guilty and kill his azz making hate crime indictments moot.

[GenuineRisk]

Fox and Friends this AM:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...e_calling.html

Video included.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Last week Charlie Pierce delivered one of the best and most glowing appreciations of the Crown success.. Now he has to go back to the most consistent, disgusting behavior in this increasingly embarrassing country..

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...1456_195657991

he's right. i knew they'd said the church was historic, but i'd not yet looked at what made it so. that sob chose this church on purpose i would think, because of who first built it.
and history is alive, it's a continual flow. the civil war wasn't an end to slavery and all the accompanying wrongs. look at the kkk, lynchings, jim crow...that we even had to have a civil rights act. and then a senator decided to make it even less palatable to the voters in congress, he added women as yet another reason to knock it down. ooops, lucky for many of us, that ploy didn't work.
everyone has to continue to fight, because a few still feel they are 'superior' because their ancestors moved out of subsarahan africa and away from the equator earlier than the people around them. they look at people 'different' from them and assign stereotypes to them, they are no better than a virus attacking another. no thought, no reasoning, just lash out.
i'm sick of it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Fox and Friends this AM:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...e_calling.html

Video included.

'But you just made a great point a moment ago about hostility towards Christians. And it was a church...'

ah, fox 'news'. the chief dog whistler. their paid shills open their mouths and stupid falls out. and they had a hater on there to help explain what happened?! oh, that's just awesome.



“Well, most people jump to conclusions about race,” Jackson responded. “I long for the day that people stop doing that in our country.”

yeah, you didn't have to jump at all for this one.

This morning it was reported that during the shooting, suspected gunman Dylan Roof said, “I have to do it. You rape our women and you are taking over our country. And you have to go.”

and who the hell is 'our' in our country?! argh, dude, i don't want to be in your version of 'our country'.

[Kasept]

The incredible story of the historic church where the Charleston shooting took place
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803623...church-history

The Remarkable Life of Denmark Vesey, Co-Founder of Charleston's Emanuel Church
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...emanuel-church

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Fox and Friends this AM:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...e_calling.html

Video included.

Thanks, and a black minister to boot.

So in his mind was the gunman lying when he said he was there to shoot black people.

Luckily the labeling of it being an attack on Christians/Christianity has ceased as far as I can tell.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I find its impossible to use rational thought to explain the irrational.

I think that a lot of people feel exactly the same, which is why I find it odd that Pierce calls out people who refer to this incident as "unspeakable" or "unthinkable." Rational, good people find it difficult if not impossible to comprehend what this guy did, on several levels, and without foresight to consult a thesaurus before they speak from their hearts.

Pierce: "The country must resist the temptation present in anesthetic innocence. It must reject the false comfort of learned disbelief and the narcotic embrace of concocted surprise."

So we shouldn't be surprised. We're guilty of allowing this to happen. This display is after all, as Pierce says, "the dark heart of America."

Well okay then.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I think that a lot of people feel exactly the same, which is why I find it odd that Pierce calls out people who refer to this incident as "unspeakable" or "unthinkable." Rational, good people find it difficult if not impossible to comprehend what this guy did, on several levels, and without foresight to consult a thesaurus before they speak from their hearts.

Pierce: "The country must resist the temptation present in anesthetic innocence. It must reject the false comfort of learned disbelief and the narcotic embrace of concocted surprise."

So we shouldn't be surprised. We're guilty of allowing this to happen. This display is after all, as Pierce says, "the dark heart of America."

Well okay then.

well, one problem is that people don't want to talk about it. about guns, about violence, about how things are, about race, about any of it. some think nothing can be done-but i disagree about that.
why this particular person did what he did, i don't know.
so, no, it's not a surprise, he's right. what's surprising is that there's no will to change it.

it's like the guy in colorado. i read yesterday on another site that the guys therapist called his mother, because the therapist was concerned. but, mom said it's all ok. um, what?! an oncologist wouldn't tell you you don't need cancer treatment if mom said you were ok, why do we still refuse to deal with mental health in the way we need to? and parents never want to think that junior is off, they want it to be ok. so they pretend it's ok. we had a guy here a few years ago shoot a classmate. he was a nut, all the students knew it. teachers knew it. parents did nothing til he killed that kid. now, he's crazy, and now he's in the psych ward. little late isn't it?!

and where was he getting all this 'you're taking over our country, raping our women' bs?! who instilled that in him?

[dellinger63]

"At some point," he added, "we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other developed countries."

Barak Obama

Um is France a developed country?

How about Norway where a gunman killed 85?

Germany, Russia, Finland, Spain, Australia and Italy, are they developed countries?

Guess ignorance is bliss for some.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Um is France a developed country?

How about Norway where a gunman killed 85?

Germany, Russia, Finland, Spain, Australia and Italy, are they developed countries?

Guess ignorance is bliss for some.

Like you apparently.

You're comparing gun violence here with the rest of the world and think it's on a par? OK.

[Kasept]

South Carolina's oh-so-special Sen. Lindsey Graham.. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...us-charleston/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's like the guy in colorado. i read yesterday on another site that the guys therapist called his mother, because the therapist was concerned. but, mom said it's all ok. um, what?!

A not so reliant news source is reporting the racist murderer was on psych drugs. What father buys his psychotic kid a .45 for his 21st birthday? If this turns out to be true the father needs to go away as an accessory to nine counts of murder and several counts of accessory to attempted murder while Jr. gets the death penalty.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Like you apparently.

You're comparing gun violence here with the rest of the world and think it's on a par? OK.

I don't think it's on par but am not so ignorant to state it doesn't happen in other developed countries.