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[3kings]

Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?

Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Atleast the Dodgers get to try him out before paying him anything.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I strongly disagree. Regardless of all those factors that you mention, and i really dont debate the fielding and base running, Manny is still a force in the middle of the order. Some of Manny's value is less tangible in that sense. Even at 36, he still strikes fear as the anchor to this lineup.

If you are Girardi, are you really going to have much trouble instructing your reliever in the 8th of a tight game to pitch around Pappi to get to...Jason Bay????????????

Manny is one of the few hitters in the game that can singlehandedly power an offense. He is still that good.

Giant hole in the middle of the Sox order now.

The numbers simply dont bear this out. Manny is still a feared hitter when his head is in the game. If you have been watching lately you will have seen its not. The drop off in production to Bay is not that great.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Atleast the Dodgers get to try him out before paying him anything.

That's the only good part. I was really happy to hear the the Red Sox were going to dump Manny(because I cant stand watching him when the Angels play the Red Sox), now I have to see his big old downs syndrom head with the Dodgers. What make the Dodger think that Manny is going to help when he is going to be seeing pitchers he has not faced before in the N.L.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The numbers simply dont bear this out. Manny is still a feared hitter when his head is in the game. If you have been watching lately you will have seen its not. The drop off in production to Bay is not that great.

We are in the dog days of august starting tomorrow and we just got through july. Of course Manny's loafing...he's been loafing for the last 8 years. Thats Manny. But are you trying to tell me that when it gets to september and beyond that manny's head wont be there? Come on Chuck.

Do numbers really tell the whole tale? Do regular season numbers make a hill of bean of difference in October and beyond? Manny is one of those players with that intangible "it" even at 36. He is in the same class of hitter as Vlad. He strikes fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers and managers. other teams have to play around him. No one has to play around Jason Bay no matter what his numbers are.

Not only do they trade him but they also agree to pick up salary and give away a couple of decent prospects?

My respect for Theo Epstein has seriously subsided.

And its a great day to be a Yankee fan.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

That's the only good part. I was really happy to hear the the Red Sox were going to dump Manny(because I cant stand watching him when the Angels play the Red Sox), now I have to see his big old downs syndrom head with the Dodgers. What make the Dodger think that Manny is going to help when he is going to be seeing pitchers he has not faced before in the N.L.

Manny has destroyed National league pitchers during interleague play

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?

La Roche is a top prospect who is ready now (14th best prospect in baseball coming into the year and most of the guys ahead of him are already major league regulars)
Morris was a number 1 pick in the 2006 draft, had Tommy John surgery and missed last year. Had a good comeback year at class A and is a good prospect but is a few years away.
Moss is a ready for majors player who may develop into a .280 20 HR 95 Rbi guy. He turns 25 in a month.
Hansen is a number 1 pick as a RP who hasnt panned out yet but has great stuff.

They got 3 guys who should be playing in the majors soon and one potentially good pitcher down the road. For one guy who was probably only going to be there one more year anyway they got 2 starters at 3b and LF and a potential future closer. Not bad

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.

Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.

i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

for


Jason Bay

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We are in the dog days of august starting tomorrow and we just got through july. Of course Manny's loafing...he's been loafing for the last 8 years. Thats Manny. But are you trying to tell me that when it gets to september and beyond that manny's head wont be there? Come on Chuck.

Do numbers really tell the whole tale? Do regular season numbers make a hill of bean of difference in October and beyond? Manny is one of those players with that intangible "it" even at 36. He is in the same class of hitter as Vlad. He strikes fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers and managers. other teams have to play around him. No one has to play around Jason Bay no matter what his numbers are.

Not only do they trade him but they also agree to pick up salary and give away a couple of decent prospects?

My respect for Theo Epstein has seriously subsided.

And its a great day to be a Yankee fan.

You are living in the past. There is no bigger Vlad fan than me but he is slipping too. Manny cant just turn it on anymore like he used to. Not to mention that his conduct has been way out of bounds this year and it really isnt funny when he is assaulting people or striking out on purpose or hitting the ball and just walking to the dugout. Manny was a great hitter but he aint anymore and with all the other things going on they obviously felt they needed to get him out of there. The prospects they gave up arent in their plans anyway and they make so much money they could pick up the entire Dodgres roster and it wouldnt hurt too much.

Bay is better than the Yankees LF of the day btw.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

for


Jason Bay

He has 20 HR's not 40. He isnt driving in 140 runs a year anymore and his conduct has been deplorable even for him. as a yankee fan I'm sure you rarely watch the pirates but until bay had an off year in 07 he was regarded as good as guys like Matt Holiday. He was rookie of the year in 04 and an All star in 05 and 06. it isnt like they got Dave Roberts for him

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

La Roche is a top prospect who is ready now (14th best prospect in baseball coming into the year and most of the guys ahead of him are already major league regulars)
Morris was a number 1 pick in the 2006 draft, had Tommy John surgery and missed last year. Had a good comeback year at class A and is a good prospect but is a few years away.
Moss is a ready for majors player who may develop into a .280 20 HR 95 Rbi guy. He turns 25 in a month.
Hansen is a number 1 pick as a RP who hasnt panned out yet but has great stuff.

They got 3 guys who should be playing in the majors soon and one potentially good pitcher down the road. For one guy who was probably only going to be there one more year anyway they got 2 starters at 3b and LF and a potential future closer. Not bad

Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.

The Pirates seemingly did pretty good though I dont underestimate thier ability to srew them up

[fpsoxfan]

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

well said

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Truth be known, he is the only one on the Dodgers that can hit good pitching. That's it. One guy(better than none.) Without him, there really is no need to make the playoffs, cuz this bunch wasn't gunna hit in the post much(at all.) I guess you can say Blake, also, but you can't rely on him doing it. This is the best hitter we have ever had here. That's just a fact.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

But his numbers arent really off from his career averages. He is on pace to put up BETTER numbers than last year. He will hit 30 something homers and hit low 100's RBI and bat 300. Thats what he does.

More importantly, for his career, he always hits better the second half of the season. More importantly than that...he kills the yanks.

From many accounts, most of his teammates have said that they enjoy playing with him...except Youkilis.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

I couldn't agree more ......The part of this that I am most curious about is how the rastaman will do without Ortiz in front of him and the guys that hit behind him all these years.

The crazy stint with the assault of the 60 year traveling secretary prior to the all star game was the beginning of the end for the front office and when it became clear Manny was going to treat the team and fans to 5.4 second 90 foot "sprints" and refusals to play when the club went to war, the Sox would have given him away for less. I have no idea how good this Pirate is but the outlaw just left town IMO. Say hello to the rest of former Sox Manny, the national league is entirely different and does not play to your skill set. A bigger left field in LA, no wall to allow you to cheat shallow, and a different offensive philosophy will expose you for the limited player and declining hitter you have become. The Sox are playing better already and don't play until Friday..

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

La Roche is a top prospect

You're on dope or cough syrup. WTF you think we got Blake for? This guy couldn't hit. That's why. Go get gone. ROACH VAMOOSE. Let him hit .220 over there. Let him hit .300 there. I don't care, cuz he was never gunna hit for L.A.